incest

 Luke 3:23

And Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years old, and was (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli.

We asked: How did Joseph the carpenter become the son of Heli, knowing that Joseph the carpenter was the son of Jacob from his first wife?

The church said that in the law, if a man dies without children, his wife is to be married by her guardian.

The first child is attributed to the deceased according to Sharia law... End of story

Thus, Joseph the carpenter is Mary’s brother according to the law, and although she is a mahram, he married her, causing Jesus’ mother to fall into incest.

If the mother of the Lord of Glory, Jesus, married her legitimate brother, then what is wrong with a Christian marrying his sister?

Does the church believe in a woman more honorable than the mother of Jesus?

This is what came in the Gospels about Christ and his mother, peace be upon them.

The wife of Jacob, father of Joseph the carpenter.

The biggest problem in the relationship between Joseph the carpenter and the Virgin Mary is the text of Luke when he said:

Luke 3:23
And Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years old, and was, as was supposed, the son of Joseph,

the son of Heli. So who would have thought that Joseph was the son of Heli? Of course, people,

so in the interpretation of the New Testament by the servant of the Lord Benjamin Benkerton, the Gospel of Luke, chapter three, he said: As was supposed, which requires a complementary sentence to show the truth and remove the suspicion.

So the suspicion became the truth,

so how could Joseph become the son of Heli?

The Encyclopedia of the Bible, letter N, in the genealogy of Jesus Christ, states that Heli was the one who married a new widow of Jacob,



and William Barclay’s interpretation also states the same news,



but unfortunately these agents are ignorant because the website of Anba Takla mentioned that Heli was a barren man and his knot was not resolved except by giving birth to the Virgin Mary.




So how can it be said that Heli married the widow of Jacob and gave birth to Joseph the carpenter from her, and Heli was a barren man, and also the age difference between Joseph the carpenter and the Virgin Mary is 77 years, which means that Heli gave birth to Joseph before he gave birth to the Virgin Mary by 77 years, knowing that he was a barren man and his knot was resolved by giving birth to Mary from her mother Hannah? And Heli and his wife Hannah died before Mary was engaged to Joseph the carpenter.




Although this idea solves the problem we are dealing with, the fact that Heli was barren spoiled everything for the church.

Maryam bint Hali

The Jerusalem Talmud indicates that Mary was the daughter of Heli (Haggigah, Book 77, 4)

By studying this topic in detail, I found that it has three interpretations:
1) Heli’s marriage to the wife of the deceased Jacob
2) Marriage (adoption)
3) Jacob’s marriage to the wife of the deceased Heli

. There is no doubt that this difference and contradiction between Christian scholars and clerics confirms the extent of the error of this doctrine.

As for the first item, we have previously talked about it in detail in the previous post and also on the comments page here ( click here ) .

Now we come to talk about the second item, which is marriage. This point is explained by Father Munis Abdel Nour, who said:

“.. And since the Hebrews do not include women in their genealogical tables, if the family ends with a woman, they include her husband in the lineage and consider him the son of his wife’s father (i.e. the son of his father-in-law) .”


It is very natural to consider the husband as one of the members of the family from which he took his wife, but this does not mean that he has the right to inherit according to the law. Because when we talk about the law, the law is the judge.... No voice is louder than the law, even if it is customs and traditions. It is clear that Father Munis Abdel Nour does not understand the meaning of the word (her legitimate brother)... because the law is the arbiter in all cases. There is no such thing as (a brother or son in the flesh) because the positive law of countries takes into account the legislation (the law) if it exists and not the fabrication or customs and traditions.


Jewish law states that if a man dies without having a son (male), his living brother must marry his brother’s widow and have children with her. The firstborn child is not attributed to the living husband, but is legally attributed to the deceased husband. The word “brother in the flesh” does not exist in Jewish law, and there is no law, legislation, or statute that speaks of marriage. It is nothing but a word invented by churchmen in an attempt to distort this dangerous story.


Monis Abdel Nour cited some passages from the Old Testament to support his false argument, but he misled the reader who does not care about research and investigation to verify the truth of this priest. The priest cited (1 Chronicles 2:21), (1 Chronicles 2:34), and (Ruth 4:17). Father Munis Abdel Nour did not support his argument with legislation on intermarriage in the Old Testament because it does not exist. Rather, he came with Jewish traditions that are far removed from legislation. There is no religion built on tradition. Rather, religion is based on legislation.



Also, if we look at (1 Chronicles 2:21), we will find that a man named Machir the father of Gilead owned many cities and had a daughter named ( Abiah ) married to a man named Hezron... This Hezron is the son of Perez the fornicator, the son of Tamar the harlot with whom Judah's father-in-law committed adultery (1 Chronicles 2:5). The great disaster is that Hezron had a son named Caleb ( and Clobai ) from his first wife... So when Hezron died, Caleb (and Clobai) married his father's wife ( Abiah ), the daughter of Machir the father of Gilead " incest " (1 Chronicles 2:24) according to the translation of the Book of Life... This is considered incest, as also happened between Judah and Tamar... In other words, the argument that Father Munis Abdel Nour relies on is all incest and corrupt and all impurity, and you will not know who is the son of whom... Munis Abdel Nour also claims that Machir the father of Gilead adopted his grandson ( Jair ), the son of Sejub, the son of Hezron, the husband of his daughter ( Abiah).) And ( Abiah ) at the same time married the son of her deceased husband Hezron ( Caleb ) and she is considered the mother of his brother Segub.. These are the characters that the priest relies on to support his words ( how strange ).. knowing that the priest Antonius Fikry in his interpretation of the Book of Chronicles, Chapter Two, Paragraph (18 to 24) confirmed that the reason for Jair’s affiliation with the tribe of his grandfather (the tribe of Manasseh) is not because of adoption, but rather he was called Jair the son of Manasseh, i.e. from the tribe of Manasseh because he is descended from the tribe through his mother and also descended from the tribe of Judah through his father..... So there is no adoption and the story of Machir the father of Gilead and his grandson Jair the son of Segub does not match the story of Joseph the carpenter ( Heli ) nor his affiliation with Heli, the father of the Lady Mary, peace be upon her.



As for what was mentioned in (1 Chronicles 2:34), it was said that a man named Sheshan from the tribe of Judah had no sons but daughters, so he gave his daughter to an Egyptian slave from his slaves, who married her to bear her a son to be attributed to the tribe of Judah and not to the nationality of the slave... But as I mentioned previously, Father Antonius Fikry mentioned in his interpretation of (1 Chronicles 2-24) that the child born in these circumstances has one lineage from the father’s side and another from the mother’s side... So the claim that Sheshan’s grandson is attributed to the tribe of Judah only is a false statement... Also, the surprise is that in (1 Chronicles 2:31) it was mentioned that Sheshan had a son named “ Ahlai ” before he married his daughter to the Egyptian slave for a period of time... The dictionary of the Holy Bible spoke about him and said: “ Ahlai ” is a Hebrew name and perhaps it means “my uncle” or “Oh, would that” and it was mentioned: the name of a person from the lineage of Sheshan (see Chronicles 2:31 and 34), so “ Ahlai ” is male and not Female.. This is also a false argument and this contradiction is enough where it was said that Sheshan gave birth to a boy named " Ahlai " and then it was said that he had no male children.. As if we take the words of Father Munis Abdel Nour as true, we will find that Sheshan's grandson is the result of sexual intercourse between Sheshan's daughter and his slave.. And by matching this story with the story of Joseph the carpenter, we will find that Hali did not give birth to Joseph from his wife or from another wife, just as Christ is not from human seed.. Also, the law allowed the master to do whatever he wanted with his slaves because they are his property and he has absolute freedom with them.. If he adopted him or freed him or married him to his daughter, this is personal freedom and no one dares to object to a person who moves his property as he pleases (Exodus 21:21) (Leviticus 25-46).. But the situation of Joseph the carpenter is completely different from this story that Munis Abdel Nour cited, so citing it is wrong.



And we come to the last citation, which is (Ruth 4:17) .. where Munis Abdel Nour said that it was mentioned in the Book of Ruth 4:17 that a son was born to Naomi, Ruth’s mother-in-law, although he was in fact Ruth’s son from Boaz .. but unfortunately Munis Abdel Nour ignores that the women’s words are not legislation .. and that Boaz married Ruth according to the law, which is the focus of our entire topic, where Boaz said literally: And as for Ruth the Moabitess, Mahlon’s wife, you are witnesses that I have also bought her as a wife for myself, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, so that the name of the dead will not be cut off from among his brothers and from the gate of his city. You are witnesses today (Ruth 4:10) .. and this is the law found in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 25 ... and thus the child is attributed to Mahlon, the son of Naomi, Ruth’s mother-in-law .. so when the women say (( A son has been born to Naomi)) This does not mean adoption because the newborn was attributed to her dead son and consequently she is considered his grandmother and the newborn is attributed to the tribe of her dead son... There is also a major error in the Gospel of Matthew in the same legislation, as the writer of the Gospel of Matthew attributed Obed, the son of Ruth, to Boaz, and this is a mistake and a violation of the legislation because Boaz confirmed what was stated in the legislation, as he would marry Ruth so that the name of the dead (Mahlon) would not be extinct among his brothers... So according to the legislation, the newborn Obed must be attributed to Mahlon, the first husband of Ruth who died, but the writer of the Gospel of Matthew ignored the law and attributed him to Boaz, and this is a major mistake and a lapse in the Gospel of Matthew (1:5).


So the idea that Munis Abdel Nour relied on that Joseph the carpenter is attributed to Hali because Hali adopted him is false. Also, the claim that Joseph’s marriage to Mary attributes him by extension to Hali is false because all the evidence that Munis Abdel Nour cited requires that the child or grandchild is the one who is attributed to the wife’s father (grandfather), but Joseph the carpenter was not born by Hali’s wife to be attributed to Hali, nor was Christ the one who planted humans or the fruit of Joseph the carpenter’s loins to be attributed to Hali or Jacob. Also, Hali died before Joseph the carpenter married Mary. And Hali is the first to have the right to adopt whomever he sees fit, but Hali died. So how can we attribute an adopted son to a deceased person? Also, the age difference between Joseph the carpenter and Mary is 77 years, and he married her at the age of 90, which means that there is a 98% probability that Joseph the carpenter is older than Hali. So how can a son be older than his father ?


The strange thing is that Munis Abdel Nour mentioned that Joseph the carpenter is from the family of Mary, saying: Mary is the daughter of Heli, and Joseph is the son of Jacob, and since Heli did not have a son, Joseph was attributed to him, and Joseph and Mary are from the same family , as each of them descended from Zerubbabel, so Joseph is from his eldest son Abihud as in Matthew 1:13, and Mary is from the lineage of Rhesa his younger son as in Luke 3:27 .. End of the priest’s words.

So as long as Joseph and Mary are from the same family and their lineage goes back to David, why do we need to attribute Joseph the carpenter to Heli and we are satisfied with attributing Christ to Heli and the problem is over?! ... Munis Abdel Nour relied on the fact that the grandfather has the right to adopt his grandson, as long as adoption is permitted, what is the problem that prevented Christ from being the son of Heli automatically and consequently Christ taking his grandfather's lineage directly to David and the writer of the Gospel of Luke avoiding Joseph the carpenter's affiliation with Heli and becoming the legitimate brother of Mary and marrying her even though she is forbidden to him so that they would fall into incest and we would have finished with all this fuss ?


At the end of this point, we can only say that ... the writers of the Bible are the ignorant of the world.


Now we have finished the first and second interpretations of this issue and their failure has been proven. Let us begin focusing on the third interpretation, which is Jacob's marriage to the wife (widow) of Heli.

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The Jerusalem Talmud indicates that Mary was the daughter of Heli (Haggigah, Book 77, 4). She was not the child of promise, and is called Mary of Heli, by which she is distinguished from the other of the same name, because

she was the daughter of Joachim, orHeliachim. (The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ (Anne Catherine Emmerich, [1862], CHAPTER XXIII)) Before starting on this point, I found that all Christian sites rejoice in saying:

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If there was any error in what the evangelists Matthew or Luke wrote in the genealogy, the Jews would have been the first to object to it, but this did not happen.

This is a false statement and justifications that are only written by the ignorant and uneducated for two reasons:


(1)
The Gospels were written decades after the ascension of Christ. Therefore, the Jews did not read the lineage of Jesus mentioned in the Gospels in any book before Jesus’ life. The Jews at the time of Christ believed and were aware that Christ was legally the son of Joseph the carpenter, the husband of Mary, the result of sexual intercourse between them. The Gospels also did not mention that Christ, his mother, or Joseph the carpenter told the Jews or anyone else that Christ was born without a father. Therefore, the Jews were always saying: Isn’t this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know ? It was also said: Isn’t this the son of the carpenter? Isn’t his mother called Mary, and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judah ? But when the Gospels were written and the Jews read them, we found the Jews’ immediate reaction within the Talmud, and this confirms their objection to the lineage at the moment of reading it. The shameful lineage of Christ mentioned in the Gospels is the primary reason for what came about the attack on the honor of Christ and the honor of his mother in the Talmud.


(2)
Even if we assume that the words of Christian websites and churches are true, they ignored the fact that at the time of Christ the Jews were under Roman rule and no Jew could apply the Mosaic law to another Jew. Rather, according to the occupation law in this era, only the law of the occupier was applied. Therefore, when the Jews arrested an adulterous woman, no Jew dared to stone her, so they took her to Christ to see what happened to her and whether he could apply the law that he swore that not a single letter of it would be omitted. However, the Gospels attributed to Christ that he could not apply the law with his own hand after the Jews left him, because he knew that the Roman law was the only prevailing law and no other legislation, so the Jews left him with her and departed. Christ could not apply the law of stoning with his own hand because he knew the bad consequences that he would receive from the Romans.


Now let us see who Heli is and what his story is.

Heli is a man who married a woman named Hannah and did not have sons or daughters because he was a man with a broken heart because he was barren. His wife, Hannah, her mother, was very sad because she had reached old age and had not given birth, so she made a vow to God, saying: “ If you give me fruit, I will offer it as a vow to your holy temple.” Heli’s knot was untied after he reached old age by giving birth to his daughter, the Virgin Mary, peace be upon her. Then, a year or more later, Heli and his wife Hannah gave birth to Mary’s sister, whose name was Salome (or another Mary). Some churchmen, when they quoted from non-canonical books, said that Salome was the wife of Joseph the carpenter and they had six children. Some of them said that she was the wife of Clopas, according to the Gospel of John 19:25, and they had four children who were older than Jesus Christ, as it was stated in the explanation of the Holy Bible - the New Testament - John 7 - the interpretation of the Gospel of John on the website of Anba Takla, that Jesus’ brothers were older than him.






Of course we talked before about the fact that there are two explanations for Joseph the carpenter’s lineage to Heli. Some of them said that Heli married Jacob’s widow and had Joseph the carpenter with her. This idea is baseless because Heli was a barren man and thus did not have any children before the Virgin Mary.

Another explanation is that Joseph the carpenter became Heli’s son through marriage because he did not have a son, so he took Joseph the carpenter as his son because he protected him. This is also a false explanation because according to what was stated on the website of Anba Takla, Mary’s parents died before Joseph the carpenter chose her.



We also do not know who is older (Heli or the carpenter)? .. Since Joseph the carpenter married Mary when he was ninety years old, i.e. in the position of a grandfather, it is not natural for a son to be older than his father ( ! ). .. Also, the Gospels mentioned that Joseph is the son of Heli legally, and this is what all interpretations and churchmen confirmed ... The word legal means that there is a heavenly law that speaks of lineage by marriage, and this law does not exist in the Holy Book, and all the examples presented to the proponents of this opinion are customs and traditions that are not based on legislation. .. If we attribute Joseph the carpenter to Heli just because it is a Jewish tradition, then it is not permissible by law to say that Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli (legally), but rather we say Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli (traditionally), and this expression is invalid and its pronunciation is not accepted among the Jews. .. So where is the law of marriage? There is no


such thing as there are those who say that Joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob physically and the son of Heli legally. This is also a false statement that has no legislation because the Jewish legislation did not mention that a son could have two parents. This is what was confirmed by the website of Anba Takla when it said: It is not possible for (Joseph the carpenter) to be the son of both .



Also, the one with the first right to adoption is Heli, and since Heli died before Mary married Joseph the carpenter, it is not permissible according to the law to attribute Joseph the carpenter by our own free will as the son of Heli because Heli died and he was the first and last right to adoption. Likewise, there is no legislation for marriage.


But the new catastrophe that the churchmen are trying to bring to the fore and challenge all the previous interpretations is the distortion of what is stated in the Gospel of Luke in Chapter 3 {23 And Jesus, when he began, was about thirty years old, and being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Heli }. They said: - And since Luke wrote his Gospel to the nations and his purpose was to prove that Christ is from the lineage of the woman, he traced the natural or true lineage of Jesus through his mother Mary in the branch of Nathan. He made this clear in his addendum when he said about Jesus that he was, as was supposed, the son of Joseph ( but in reality ) the son of Heli or his grandson on the mother’s side or his tribe. And the Jews always said about Mary that she was the daughter of “Heli” (end).




So we infer from the words of the church scholars that paragraph 23 of Chapter 3 of the Gospel of Luke is distorted and the word (as was supposed the son of Joseph ) is interpolated.

So we summarize the story of Heli that a barren man married a woman named Hannah and his knot was dissolved and he had Mary when he was old. About a year after Mary was born, Heli had another daughter from his wife Hannah and named her Mary (Salome). The younger Mary married a man named Clopas (Alphaeus) during her parents’ lifetime and had four children from him: Jacob, Joses, Simon and Judah . ​​The Virgin Mary also married Joseph the carpenter after she had completed the age of twelve, that is, after the death of her parents.

Hannah,

the website of Abna Takla, said

that she is the mother of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. This righteous woman was the daughter of Matthan, son of Levi, son of Melchi, from the lineage of Aaron the priest, and she was the wife of the righteous Joachim (Heli) from the tribe of Judah, as she was barren and was begging God to remove this shame from her, so He granted her a daughter who was a blessing to her and to all people, she is the Virgin Mary, the mother of the Savior of the world. The feast is on the 11th of Hathor (dates without evidence) ... After that, Hannah gave birth to a sister for Mary, also named Mary {the other Mary (Matthew 27:61)} .. Three years after the birth of the Virgin Mary, peace be upon her, her mother Hannah took her to the temple, where she stayed for twelve years .. Her parents (Hannah and Heli) died before the priests consulted to entrust her to someone who would keep her (Joseph the Carpenter).

The Gospel of Luke also states that Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli, as he said:

Luke 3:23
And when Jesus began his ministry, he was about thirty years old, and he was, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Heli.

And in the commentary on the New Testament by the servant of the Lord, Benjamin Benkerton, the Gospel of Luke, chapter three, he says: As was supposed, which requires a complementary sentence to reveal the truth and remove the suspicion.

So the suspicion became the truth

. So the men of the church began to search for a way out of the trap that the writer of the Gospel of Luke had put them in and how Joseph the carpenter was related to Heli.

It was said that Heli was the brother of Jacob (the father of Joseph the carpenter) from the same mother and not from the same father... Jacob died without having children, so Heli married his brother's widow and had a son named Joseph (the carpenter), and thus Joseph became the son of Heli... This is of course a wrong interpretation because Heli was a barren man ( source ).


In another interpretation, it was said that Joseph was related to Heli by marriage, since Heli was his father-in-law and the husband has the right to be related to his mother-in-law. We have talked about this point and it was explained in all its aspects because we are talking about inheritance and lineage, and these matters do not come through customs and traditions, but rather there must be a law for them, so where is the law of marriage? Also, Joseph the carpenter married Mary after the death of her father Heli ( source ), and Heli is the one who has the first and last right to adopt Joseph. If every man was related to his father-in-law, we would have attributed Boaz to the father of his wife Ruth the Moabite, and the Moabites would be excluded from the congregation of the Lord (Deuteronomy 23:3) because they are descendants of Lot’s fornication with his daughter, and Boaz’s lineage became invalid as stated in the Gospel of Matthew (1:5), and the lineage of Christ was turned upside down.... So, it is not permissible in Islamic law to use the term marriage in the story of Joseph the carpenter and Heli.

The third interpretation, which all Bible interpreters agree upon, is that after the death of Heli, Jacob (Joseph's father) married Hannah, Heli's wife, and according to the law in Deuteronomy chapter 25, Joseph the carpenter became Joseph Heli.

Regardless of the fact that this idea is also false, this interpretation also confirms that Joseph the carpenter and the Virgin Mary committed incest, because the law confirms through interpretations that Joseph the carpenter is Mary's brother legally, and no voice is louder than the law, as Jesus said: Not one jot or one tittle shall pass from the law.

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The Virgin Mary


, this pure and good woman, the best of women in the world... The churches pretended to glorify her, but unfortunately all the books that the church believes in insulted her and attacked her honor, and not a single book came out to defend her, do her justice, or exonerate her from what the Talmud mentioned about her. But the beloved Chosen One, may God bless him and grant him peace, came with a heavenly message to reveal to the world the purity of this woman from all the attacks and accusations directed at her.

They said that Christ defiled her and she went to purify herself from this impurity with a Jewish priest (Luke 2:22). They said that she married her legitimate brother, Joseph the carpenter (Hali), and committed incest. The Catholics worshipped her and said that she is the mother of God (God forbid).

Then the Orthodox Church accused the Catholic Church of worshipping the Virgin Mary, which resulted in the excommunication of this sect.

What is even more amazing is that we find the websites of the Orthodox churches and the forums branching off from them under the supervision of senior clergymen such as His Grace Bishop Abram of Fayoum mentioning their worship of Mary, saying: “ O my pure lady Mary, listen with your ears to the voice of my supplication, I, your wretched and unworthy servant .”

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Mary is the daughter of Hannah, the wife of Heli, and she has a younger sister also named Mary. She married a man named Clopas (John 19:25) and bore him four children who were older than Jesus ( * ). This means that she bore these children before the birth of Jesus.... i.e. she married when she was about four years old. 

The Gospels mentioned that the Lady Mary, peace be upon her, married a man 77 years older than her, i.e. he married her when he was 89 years old.

The Gospels tried to fabricate the lineage of Jesus to be one of the descendants of David, knowing that he was not the offspring of a human being. However, the Gospel of Luke indicated that Joseph the carpenter was the son of Heli, the father of the Virgin Mary, to put Mary under suspicion and attack her honor. We have previously discussed this point and we will certainly shed light on it later.

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The feasts of the Virgin


Mary The calamity that befell the Church are the dates of the feasts attributed to the Virgin Mary, which the Church adopted as its feasts, knowing that the Bible does not contain a single date for these dates, and all of them are dates that the Church took from the Apocryphal books that the Church does not believe in. When the Church speaks about the doctrine of the Church through the Apocryphal books, the Church denies them and refuses to dialogue through these books, but when the Church wants to obtain information about the Virgin and establish doctrinal rituals for her, we find the Church resorting to the same Apocryphal books that it previously rejected. This is double standards.


Some have said that these feasts are mentioned in the Coptic Synaxarium... but there are two facts that are not disputed

(1)
The Coptic Synaxarium differs from the Ethiopian... and so on, the multiplicity of Synaxariums for each country does not mean that they are united on one content, but rather each book has a content that differs from the other, and this confirms that the feasts attributed to the Virgin Mary do not originate from the Synaxarium.

(2)
These feasts are mentioned in the Apocrypha, which are books written hundreds of years before the Coptic Synaxarium was written. If we consider the Church’s arguments to be correct, this means that the Apocrypha are correct, and the claim that they are forged books is false, due to the unification of the occasions in the Apocrypha and their conformity with the Synaxarium.

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Feasts of the Virgin:

Every saint has one feast in the church, which is the day of his death or martyrdom, and perhaps another feast is the finding of his remains or a miracle that happened in his name or the building of a church for him,

but the Virgin Mary has many feasts, including:

1- The Feast of the Annunciation of her Birth:

It is on the 7th of Mesori, when the angel of the Lord announced her birth to her father Joachim, so he and her mother Hannah rejoiced and dedicated her to the Lord.

2- The Feast of the Birth of the Virgin:

The church celebrates it on the first of Bashans.

3- The Feast of her Entry into the Temple:

The church celebrates it on the 3rd of Kiahk, which is the day she entered to worship in the temple in the house designated for virgins.

4- The Feast of her Coming to Egypt:

With her was Jesus Christ and Joseph the Carpenter, and the church celebrates it on the 24th of Bashans.

5- The Feast of the Departure of the Virgin:

It is on the 21st of Tubah, and the church also remembers the miracles that happened on that day, and the apostles were around her, except for Saint Thomas, who was preaching in India at that time.

6- The monthly feast of the Virgin:

It is the 21st of every Coptic month, commemorating her death on the 21st of Tubah.

7- The feast of the Ascension of her body to heaven:

The church celebrates it on the 16th of Mesori, which corresponds to the 22nd of August, and is preceded by the Virgin’s fast (15 days).

8- The feast of her miracle (the case of iron):

It is the 21st of Baounah, and we remember the miracles of releasing the captivity of Saint Matthias the Apostle and those with him by releasing the iron with which they were bound.

We also celebrate the building of the first church in her name in Philippi.

All of these feasts have special melodies and doxologies in the church’s ritual that include many prophecies and symbols specific to her in the Old Testament.

9- The feast of her apparition in Zeitoun:

on the domes of the Church of the Virgin. This was on April 2, 1968, and continued for years, corresponding to approximately the 24th of Baramhat.... { Note that this apparition is the first of its kind after her death, more than one thousand nine hundred years (!)}

In addition to all this, the church celebrates throughout the month of Kiahk (from the third of December to the 7th of January) with hymns all about the dignity of the Virgin Mary.

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Joseph the carpenter (Haly) son of Jacob

Joseph the carpenter is the son of a man named "Jacob" and his grandfather's name is "Matthan". So who is "Jacob" and who is "Matthan" mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew? No one knows.

There were many sayings about Joseph the carpenter. Some said that he was the son of Jacob Matthan from his first wife, and some said that Jacob Matthan married the widow of Heli (Joachim) and had Joseph the carpenter with her, and some said that Heli (Joachim) married the widow of Jacob and had Joseph the carpenter with her, and some said that Joseph the carpenter was attributed to Heli because he adopted him when he married his daughter, and every husband is attributed to his wife’s family as a type of Jewish tradition, knowing that Christian sources confirm that Joseph the carpenter married Mary after the death of her parents, and thus adoption is dropped, and there is no legislation for adoption in the Old or New Testament... But we are talking about legislation and not traditions because we say that Jesus the carpenter is Mary’s brother legally and not traditionally, so no voice is louder than the voice of the law... The reason for all these contradictions is that they are unknown figures who do not have a lineage in the Jewish books, and we do not know anything about them.

But it was agreed that there were serious errors that caused the honor of the Virgin Mary to be challenged because the Gospel of Luke indicated that the Virgin Mary married her legitimate brother (Joseph of Heli "the carpenter") and thus fell into incest because it is not permissible for a brother to marry his legitimate sister.

Indeed, according to Christian sources, we have confirmed that Joseph the carpenter is the husband of the Virgin Mary and there is no disagreement about that.


There are also two opinions about Mary's marriage to Joseph the carpenter and her having four children, namely [ Jacob, Joseph, Simon and Judah ]. ( * ).


The justifications used by the Church to justify the marriage of the twelve-year-old Mary to a man 77 years older than her were that this was a plan devised by God, as He chose a married woman to conceive him so that no one would suspect her and her honor would be challenged. But if we look at the Talmud, we will find that the Jews accused the Virgin Mary of adultery and that Jesus was the son of fornication. Did this plan succeed? Of course not,

so the justifications used by the Church are flimsy.

Other sayings say that Joseph the carpenter married when he was forty years old and had six children, four of them males and two females. He stayed with his first wife for forty-nine years, then she died and he married the Virgin Mary after that... It was also said that Joseph the carpenter is the same as "Cleophas" (John 19:25) and he married the Virgin Mary's younger sister and had these six children with her before he married the Virgin Mary... It was also said that "Cleophas", the husband of the Virgin Mary's sister, is not Joseph the carpenter, but rather the brother of Joseph the carpenter.

The church said that Joseph the carpenter died before Jesus reached the age of thirty... But we did not read a single word in the entire New Testament about the death of Joseph the carpenter or the grief of Mary or Jesus over him, as if his role ended after they returned from Egypt and he became of no role or importance.

The final result is that all the news, dates, events and positions attributed to the Virgin Mary or Joseph the carpenter have no correct chains of transmission and are all taken from the Apocrypha.

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Mary the Younger, the mother of Jacob,





is the younger sister of the Virgin Mary. She married a man named Clopas and bore him four children: { James, Joses, Simon, and Judas }. They were older than Jesus, as mentioned by the website of Anba Takla.






If the Church had used its mind properly, it would have found that Mary the Younger married Clopas when she was four or five years old. Because Mary the Younger felt pregnant when she was 12 years old (as mentioned by the Catholic Encyclopedia), meaning she gave birth before she was thirteen years old. This means that her sister Mary the Younger had given birth to her last child before Mary the Virgin gave birth to Jesus. Of course, there is no real evidence that proves that Mary the Younger is the sister of Mary the Virgin, and there is no real evidence that mentions the age difference between them. If we use our minds, we say that if the age difference between Mary the Younger and her sister Mary the Younger was one year, this means that the moment Mary the Virgin felt Jesus in her womb, Mary the Younger was eleven years old and she gave birth to four children: { James, Joses, Simon, and Judas }.





The age difference between Jesus' brothers is certainly not less than two years because Father Antonius Fikry mentioned that the period between breastfeeding and weaning a child is from three to five years... In general, let us consider them only two years... So the age difference between the children of Mary the Younger is two years... But out of compassion and mercy for the Church, we will make the age difference only a year and a half instead of two years. So:

Mary the Younger, the sister of the Virgin Mary, married when she was five years old and some months old (let us assume that her age at that time was approximately five years and nine months}, as she gave birth to Jacob nine months after her marriage, and thus she gave birth to him when she was six years and six months old... Then after a year and a half, she gave birth to her second son, Joseph, so her age at that time was eight years old... Then after a year and a half, she gave birth to her third son, Simon, so her age at that time was nine years and six months... Then after a year and a half, she gave birth to her fourth son, Judah, so her age at that time was eleven years old.

Thus, it is proven that Mary the Younger, the sister of the Virgin Mary, married when she was five years old and gave birth when she was six years old, and this is scientifically impossible because she had not yet menstruated, as Jerusalem is not subject to... Hot countries where puberty occurs at an early age, ranging between (eight or nine years) and not five or six years... Also, the Virgin Mary became pregnant at the age of twelve years, which means that this is the age of puberty for girls in these countries... So how did the younger Mary give birth to four children when she was younger than the Virgin Mary ?


This is not the first wonder of the Bible. In Genesis (17:17), we find that the writer indicated that Sarah, Abraham's wife, gave birth to Isaac when he was ninety years old, saying: {And can Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear children?}... Also, Genesis (22:23) and (23:1) indicate that Abraham received news of the birth of sons and grandchildren to Nahor, the last of whom was the birth of (Rebekah), and this was the day of Sarah's death, who died at the age of 127 years, as the news came simultaneously with the birth of Rebekah, which means that at that time Isaac was 37 years old and (Rebekah) was one day old.

In Genesis (25:20) it is mentioned that Isaac married (Rebekah) when he was forty years old, saying: {And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to be his wife}.

So the fact that (Rebekah) was born on the day of Sarah’s death when Isaac was 37 years old at that time... and then he married Rebekah when he was forty years old confirms that Isaac married Rebekah when she was three years old.

We are not surprised by the marriage of girls at this age because it is stated in Numbers 31:

17 Now kill every male among the children, and every woman who has known man by lying with him, kill her. 18 But all the little women who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves . The

Talmud explained this point and clarified that a girl of three years and one day is qualified to lie with a man.


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First, remember with me that I will prove, through the books of the Christian clergy, that there is nothing in the Old Testament called lineage from the flesh. Rather, there is only one lineage, which is the legitimate lineage, and it includes everything that the Lord of the Holy Book permitted. As for the lie of (lineage from the flesh), it is a trick that the church launches as a way out without any evidence, because when the wife gives birth to a child from her husband, then this is a legitimate child because they married under the law of marriage. Also, the law of (Deuteronomy 25) attributes the child to the deceased husband because this marriage took place under (the law of marriage stipulated and both parties agreed to it)... So there is no such thing as lineage from the flesh... Here is the evidence

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First : This poor man called me ignorant. I do not know if he meant it as an insult or as a compliment, since ignorance in Christianity is a compliment, as Paul confirmed and acknowledged that the Lord Elohim, who is the God of Christianity, chose the ignorant of the world for preaching and calling, saying: “

But Elohim chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise” (1 Corinthians 1:27). If ignorance in his view is an insult or lack of understanding, then I think that the prophets of the Holy Bible preceded me in their lack of understanding, and thus the Lord made a bad choice.

Second : This poor man is above using the word (fuck) as if it were a bad sexual term that is only used by Muslims, knowing that this poor man has little knowledge and culture and is ignorant that Christian clergymen constantly use this word in their writings, including, but not limited to, the book “ The Ring and the Crown ” by the monk Athanasius of the Coptic Church… Click here to read from the Christian source

. Third : This poor man says word for word: Where did you get it, you ignorant one, that Joseph is Mary’s brother… Then, at minute (4:33 to 4:45), he confesses with his own tongue that Joseph became related to Hali, Mary’s father (Joachim), to become his son, that is, Mary’s brother legally… Glory be to God… He confesses and confirms my words, then he belies me and considers me a fraud, a liar, and an ignorant person… I am amazed at you, O time.

Fourth : This poor man
, at minute (1:45), claims that Joseph the carpenter did not marry the Virgin, and this is a very dangerous point that this poor man has fallen into, because according to his words from the Sharia (and this is a lie, as there is no legislative text on this), one of the conditions for the affiliation of [the husband to his father-in-law] Joseph the carpenter to Heli (Joachim), Mary’s father, is that Joseph the carpenter marries Mary, and thus Heli (Joachim), Mary’s father-in-law, becomes his father-in-law, and consequently Joseph the carpenter is affiliated to Heli from a legal perspective, not a physical perspective. So I would like to add more knowledge to this poor man by telling him that the only law in the Old Testament that preserves the lineages of the children of Israel is the Yibum law, and this is the pronunciation in Hebrew, where if a brother dies and his married brother does not have children from her, he must marry his brother’s widow and have children from her, and the child is named after the first deceased husband. See Deuteronomy, chapter 25. The Jews do not have any other legislation in this regard, and this is a challenge . 

Therefore, Joseph the carpenter’s lineage to Heli is based on one condition, which is that Jacob, Joseph’s father, is the brother of Heli (Joachim), Mary’s father. Thus, Jacob has the right to establish offspring for Heli so that his lineage from the children of Israel will not be cut off. Thus, Jacob, Joseph’s father, marries Mary’s mother and has Joseph the carpenter from her, in application of the Yibum law that came in Deuteronomy, chapter 25.

So, the claim that a husband is related to his father-in-law without legislation regulating that is considered empty talk with no legislative basis. 

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, the statement that Joseph is the son of Heli legally or Joseph is the son of Jacob in the flesh is a lie and misleading statement because legally, Jacob is the father of Joseph the carpenter because he is from his lineage, and the law legally attributes Joseph the carpenter to Jacob. The law also permits Joseph the carpenter to be the son of Heli legally in one case only, and there is no other, which is that Jacob marries Mary’s mother and has Joseph the carpenter from her. Thus, Joseph is legally attributed to Heli ( Deuteronomy 25 ). So, did Mary’s mother give birth to Joseph the carpenter from her marriage to Jacob? We will see 
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Since, poor thing, Joseph the carpenter did not marry Mary, then how did the Gospel of Luke attribute Joseph the carpenter to Heli (Joachim), Mary's father, without marrying her?  He should review his confessions that Joseph proposed to Mary (4:33 to 4:45). If every person claims to be the father of the girl he wants to propose to without marrying her, that is, just by proposing to her, that would be a disaster. How many people would propose to the girl? This is first .
Second
: - All translations , including Arabic and English, have proven that Joseph the carpenter married Mary after she gave birth to Jesus
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Matthew 1:25
And he did not know her until she gave birth to her firstborn son, and he called his name Jesus. Matthew 1 (The Message)l 24-25 Then Joseph woke up. He did exactly what God's angel commanded in the dream: He married Mary. But he did not consummate the marriage until she had the baby. He named the baby Jesus .








There are also two schools in the same church.. Some believe that Mary married Joseph.. and there is another school that denies this marriage, and each of them has his own argument..
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we are only concerned with what came in the Holy Bible, which revealed that there was a marriage between Joseph and Mary, as it came in the Gospel of Matthew, saying [ And he did not know her until she gave birth (Matthew 1:25)] and the word ( knew her ) in the Holy Bible means sexual intercourse, as it came in the Book of Genesis [ And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived (Genesis 4:1)] and also [ And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived (Genesis 4:17)].. Mary also confirmed through the Gospels that Joseph the carpenter married her and Jesus is the son of Joseph the carpenter by saying [ Behold, your father (Luke 2:48)].

Fifth : This poor man is playing with the law and not telling the truth because the Jewish law does not have a legislative text that says that anyone who proposes to a girl, the proposer bears the name of the father of this girl whether he marries her or not. Rather, the legislation (
Deuteronomy 25 ) says that a brother is obligated to marry the wife of his deceased brother and have a child from her, and for this reason the child does not bear the name of his real father who is his own, but rather bears the name of the first deceased husband, and the child is not attributed to his father who is his own in any way :: neither from the physical aspect nor from the legal aspect ::. This is the legislation and anything else is lies. As for the sayings that revolve around (Hakoz) or (Ruth), their falsity will be exposed in the seventh clause.

Sixth : It is a very funny item when you hear this poor man admitting that the only source on earth that says that Heli (Joachim) is the father of the Virgin Mary is the Talmud only! This is the worst of all disasters and the biggest catastrophe is that the Gospel of Luke quoted from the Talmud the paternity of Heli to Mary. If the Gospel of Luke was written by divine inspiration, this means that the Talmud is a correct book and its information is correct and has a connection to the inspiration. This is a bigger catastrophe because the Talmud attacked the honor of Mary, Jesus, Joseph the Carpenter, the Christian religion and Christians as well, as I mentioned to you previously. This indirectly confirms that the information and insults to Joseph, Mary and Jesus contained in the Talmud are indisputable facts. 
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: Let us see the great scandal that this poor man fell into, to see him ignorant of his book and arguing with a Muslim who understands the Bible more than him. But I pity him because he quoted from the website of Anba Takla without investigating the facts.

This poor man brings evidence from the Book of Nehemiah (7:63) through which he tries to prove that the husband attributes his father-in-law to his son. Of course, this is a big lie because what came in the Book of Nehemiah proves that this method is not recognized and thus their genealogies were dropped. Let us read what came in the Book of Nehemiah through the joint translation, this poor man is only misleading himself.

Nehemiah 7-61: And those who returned from Tel Melah, Tel Harsha, Cherub, Addon, and Immer, and could not prove that their families were descended from the children of Israel: 62: The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, and the children of Nekoda, six hundred and forty-two. 63: And of the priests, the children of Hababa, the children of Hakkoz, and the children of Barzillai, who married a woman from the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite and was called by their name. 64: These searched for their genealogical record but did not find it, so they were excommunicated from the priesthood
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The paragraph says literally: “ And the sons of Barzillai, who married a woman from the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite and was called by their name … Poor thing, it was not Hakkos who married, but Barzillai who married the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite and was called by their name, and therefore his lineage was lost, and he has no evidence that he is from the children of Israel and was deprived of the priesthood… Father Antonious Fikry says : “ And these people lost the priesthood because they did not deserve it… And the priests who lost their lineage were deprived of the holy things, that is, the bread of the show, the meat of the sin offering, the guilt offering, and the drink offering, and this is called the Holy of Holies .

” So this poor man mentioned the story of Hakkos only as a kind of intellectual and mental distraction, and if we talk about ( BarzillaiWe will discover that ( Barzillai ) was the one who asked to belong to ( Barzillai the Gileadite ) and according to Jewish law, a man loses his first lineage if he belongs to another lineage, and thus ( Barzillai ) lost his priestly work and lost his lineage record... because the entire Old Testament does not contain a legislative text (and I repeat - a legislative text) that says that every man who proposes to a woman automatically belongs to her father and becomes his son legally... This is empty talk and has no legal existence .

Evidence that Haqoz was not the one who married the daughter of Barzillai the Gileadite

As for the claim that Ruth was attributed to her mother-in-law, Nehmi, just because Nehmi said to her: (( Go, my daughter [Ruth 2:2])), these are very funny justifications  because Boaz also said to Ruth ( Do you not hear, my daughter ? [Ruth 2:8]) because it is very natural for any old man or woman to say to their son’s wife (my daughter) and the son’s wife to say to their mother-in-law (my mother). So, is Boaz’s saying to Ruth (my daughter) considered adoption?! That is called nonsense 
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This whole subject is based on the fact that Joseph the carpenter had to be married to Mary in order to be attributed to her father, Heli (Joachim). But this poor man repeated more than once that Joseph did not marry Mary.

The question is: How was Joseph the carpenter attributed to Heli to be his son legally, and Joseph did not marry Mary, knowing that lineage is dependent on marriage according to what you mentioned?

But if every man who married a woman automatically became his father-in-law’s son, this means that when Boaz married Ruth the Moabitess, he was expelled and cursed from the children of Israel, and thus his lineage in the Gospel of Matthew is dropped, because the Moabites are not from the congregation of the Lord (Deuteronomy 23:3). 
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are those who claim that there are two people, Heli and Joachim, and this is of course empty talk and has no real evidence or support, because the Talmud is the only source that proves that Heli is the same as (Joachim) and that he is the father of the Virgin Mary… ( Evidence 1 ) ( Evidence 2 ) ( Evidence 3 )
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Now I have three surprises. 

The first is that the Synaxarium confirms that Christ is the son of Joseph the carpenter from the flesh, even if according to what is said about the difference in the lineage of Joseph the carpenter and the saying that he is the son of Jacob from the flesh.. we understand that the Synaxarium confirms that Jesus is the product of a sexual relationship with Mary.. and this is what is called lineage from the flesh.... ( Source )

The second is the confession of the website of the Church of St. Takla that Jacob, the father of Joseph the carpenter, married the wife of Heli and had Joseph the carpenter from her, and thus this problem created by the writer of the Gospel of Luke was solved ( knowing that Joseph the carpenter is 77 years older than Mary ) . How, God knows... ( Source )

The third is the priest Tadros Malti who confesses and acknowledges in his interpretation of the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 1, that Jacob, the father of Joseph the carpenter, married the wife of Heli and had Joseph the carpenter ( knowing that Joseph the carpenter is 77 years older than Mary ). How, God knows... ( Source )


Christian websites have become confused and contradict themselves and contradict each other.. The writer of the Gospel of Luke planted the calamity of Joseph, son of Haley and Khala.


Did the Gospel writers love Jesus?! Of course not.