My father and I are one
In order to answer this text and to know that the Father and Christ are one in what, I will ask questions through which
the answer to this question will appear:
the answer to this question will appear:
First: Christ himself explains the meaning of (I and the Father are one )
Let us read the whole story until it answers the meaning of “I and my father are one .”
And it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s Portico. And the Jews surrounded him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.
” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me . But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you .
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me . And I give them eternal life , and they will never perish, nor will anyone snatch them out of my hand . My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand . I and the Father are one .” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. And Jesus said, “ Many good works have I shown you from my Father. For which of those do you stone me? ” The Jews answered him, “For a good work we do not stone you , but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God. ” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in the Book of Genesis, Your law: I said you are gods?
( John 10:24-30 )
And it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s Portico. And the Jews surrounded him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.
” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me . But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you .
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me . And I give them eternal life , and they will never perish, nor will anyone snatch them out of my hand . My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand . I and the Father are one .” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. And Jesus said, “ Many good works have I shown you from my Father. For which of those do you stone me? ” The Jews answered him, “For a good work we do not stone you , but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God. ” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in the Book of Genesis, Your law: I said you are gods?
( John 10:24-30 )
Note the following:
(*) When Christ said to the disciples (I and the Father are one ) , the Jews took up stones to throw at him because they understood that he had equated himself with God
, and this is the understanding of any Christian now from this verse. The question here is what was Christ’s reaction to this understanding.
(Jesus answered them: ((Is it not written in your law: I said, You are gods?))
It is as if Christ is saying to them, you understood from my saying, I and the Father are one, that I am equal to God. How did God in the Old Testament say about you explicitly that you are his gods? And this statement is found in Psalm 82:6 : I said, You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High .
(*) When Christ said to the disciples (I and the Father are one ) , the Jews took up stones to throw at him because they understood that he had equated himself with God
, and this is the understanding of any Christian now from this verse. The question here is what was Christ’s reaction to this understanding.
(Jesus answered them: ((Is it not written in your law: I said, You are gods?))
It is as if Christ is saying to them, you understood from my saying, I and the Father are one, that I am equal to God. How did God in the Old Testament say about you explicitly that you are his gods? And this statement is found in Psalm 82:6 : I said, You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High .
Second: Is the fact that Christ is one with the Father evidence that Christ is God? The answer is no.
Because there is much one with the Father other than Christ and the evidence is:
(Al-Fandik) (Gospel of John) ( Jn-17-21 ) ( That they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.)
(Al-Fandik) (Gospel of John) ( Jn-17-22 ) (And I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one, just as we are one.)
John 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, I keep them in your name, whom you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one .
(Al-Fandik) (Genesis) ( Gn-2-24 ) (Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.)
(I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but God who gives the increase.)
Now he who plants and he who waters are one , but each will receive his reward according to his labor.)
Now he who plants and he who waters are one , but each will receive his reward according to his labor.)
(Al-Fandik) (The First Epistle to the Corinthians) ( Corinthians 1-3-8)
Note: The texts say:
(The disciples are one with Christ, the disciples are one with the Father, the man and his wife are one , Paul is one with Apollos).
So are (the disciples, the man and his wife, Paul and Apollos) God by virtue of the fact that they are one with each other and one with the Father?
(The disciples are one with Christ, the disciples are one with the Father, the man and his wife are one , Paul is one with Apollos).
So are (the disciples, the man and his wife, Paul and Apollos) God by virtue of the fact that they are one with each other and one with the Father?
Important note:
When you talk to a Christian and he tells you (the oneness of God with Christ) is different from (the oneness of the disciples with each other)?
_ There is a text in the Bible that explains and responds to this false claim
of Van Dyck (Gospel of John) ( Jn-17-22 ) (And I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one (as) we are one.)
Note the word (as) which means like (i.e. as the Father, the Son, and Christ are one, the disciples are also one , for example the Father and Christ).
If the Father and the Son are one in everything, is there a sane person who would say the disciples are one in everything?
When you talk to a Christian and he tells you (the oneness of God with Christ) is different from (the oneness of the disciples with each other)?
_ There is a text in the Bible that explains and responds to this false claim
of Van Dyck (Gospel of John) ( Jn-17-22 ) (And I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one (as) we are one.)
Note the word (as) which means like (i.e. as the Father, the Son, and Christ are one, the disciples are also one , for example the Father and Christ).
If the Father and the Son are one in everything, is there a sane person who would say the disciples are one in everything?
Third: What are the Father and Christ one in ?
(1) The will
John 5:30 : I can do nothing of myself. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will , but the will of the Father who sent me .
John 6:38 : For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will , but the will of him who sent me .
Here the will of the Father is separate from the will of the Son.
(2) Power Gen.
17:1 And when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “ I am God Almighty ; walk before me and be blameless.”
17:1 And when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “ I am God Almighty ; walk before me and be blameless.”
God is capable of everything
John 5:30 : I can do nothing of myself. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me .
John 5:19 : Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things the Father does, these also the Son does in like manner .
Note that God is capable of anything, but Christ is not capable, according to your book.
(3) Knowledge
Mark 13:32 : “ But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son , but only the Father.”
God knows everything, especially the hour. As for Christ, according to your book, he does not know the hour.
(4) Greatness
John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away and I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I go to the Father,’ for my Father is greater than I.
Notice the father is greater than the son!
(5) Rowing
Matthew 12:32 : And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him , but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him , either in this age or in the age to come .
Why is the Holy Spirit greater than the Son?
Christ is not one with the Father in (power, blasphemy, majesty, knowledge, will). In what are they one ?
Fourth: A question for Pope Shenouda.
Pope Shenouda says in this recording literally the following:
Someone asked a question and the question was a heinous theological mistake. He said, “Why do we say in the Creed, ‘Yes, we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord who proceeds from the Father,’ and he underlined the Father, and we do not say, ‘The Lord, the Life-Giver, who proceeds from the Father and the Son,’ as long as the Father is the Son
and the Son is the Father?
” No, the Father is not the Son , and the Son is not the Father . This is a heresy among heresies.
Someone asked a question and the question was a heinous theological mistake. He said, “Why do we say in the Creed, ‘Yes, we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord who proceeds from the Father,’ and he underlined the Father, and we do not say, ‘The Lord, the Life-Giver, who proceeds from the Father and the Son,’ as long as the Father is the Son
and the Son is the Father?
” No, the Father is not the Son , and the Son is not the Father . This is a heresy among heresies.
After the Pope’s words and his saying that the Son is not the Father, can anyone say that the Father and the Son are one in everything?
Fifth: Why did you not translate "we will be"?
The original Greek of the Bible is (I and the Father are one ), so why was “are” deleted?
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Greek translations
And English translations
"I and the Father are one."
The Father and I are one."
I and my Father are one.
* Ask yourself why (we are) was not translated , although it is present in all the other translations
. * And note that (we are) came as a present tense verb that indicates that they are one in the situation in which Jesus is speaking, because the verb is present tense.
. * And note that (we are) came as a present tense verb that indicates that they are one in the situation in which Jesus is speaking, because the verb is present tense.
Sixth: The book says that God is “another” regarding Christ.
John 8:17 : And also in your law it is written, The testimony of two men is true .
John 8:18 : I am he that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:18 : I am he that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Notice that Christ here says that in the law (the Torah) the testimony is based on two men, and he cites
Deuteronomy 17:6: “At the mouth of two or three witnesses he who is put to death shall not be put to death. At the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death .”
Deuteronomy 17:6: “At the mouth of two or three witnesses he who is put to death shall not be put to death. At the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death .”
Now who is the witness who testifies to Christ? Because testimony is based on two things, and these are the words of Christ himself: “The witness is God.”
John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me . If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true . Another is the one who bears witness of me , and I know that the witness he bears of me is true.
So from the mouth of Christ himself, Christ is, in relation to God, a “second witness” and not just one , and also he is “another” in relation to Christ.
Seventh: Yes, the father and the son are one .
They are one but in the “goal”, Christ was sent to call to God and to unite God, and this is what God wanted from Christ.
(Mark 12:29 ) Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord .’”
(Mark 12:29 ) Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord .’”
(John) ( 17-3 ) (And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent .)
(John) ( Jn-8-40 ) (But now you seek to kill me , a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. This Abraham did not do.)
A necessary question:
(1) Why does the Holy Book explicitly say about Jesus Christ (prophet, messenger, servant of God, subject to God),
and you infer the divinity of Christ by inference?
(1) Why does the Holy Book explicitly say about Jesus Christ (prophet, messenger, servant of God, subject to God),
and you infer the divinity of Christ by inference?
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