Refuting the comparison of the Trinity to the apple and the sun
the apple – its taste – its smell,
the sun – its light – its heat
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Therefore, I advise our Muslim brothers to read the response to this nonsense to deter those feeble attempts to prove the Trinity, whether on their minds or face to face with Christians.
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These are some examples that the Church, Christian scholars, and ordinary Christians have been repeating in a desperate attempt to explain and clarify what contradicts logic, philosophy, and common sense, namely the principle of the Trinity, which states that there are three in one and one in three.
But.. should Muslims and ordinary Christians swallow the bait whole without thinking??
Christian theologians say in a desperate attempt to explain the illogical Trinity the following:
“ God appears in his three hypostases like an apple. Just as an apple has three properties: self, taste, and smell, and these three properties can be distinguished even if the apple is one. For example, the smell is not the same as the self and taste, and the self is the cause of the taste and smell. Just as an apple does not exist without taste and smell, so too the Father cannot be conceived without the Son and the Holy Spirit. Without these hypostases, the existence of God is not confirmed. When a person eats an apple, he eats the self. With the sense of taste, he distinguishes the taste, and with the sense of smell, he distinguishes the smell .” … End of the brilliant explanation!!!
At first glance, this explanation may succeed in deceiving the poor Christians who have fallen into the clutches of the church, which is trying to cancel the grace of reason that God has given them and mislead them from the truth with such nonsense.
If we contemplate this illogical example calmly and carefully, we will find the following:
First:
God Almighty is the Creator of everything, and it is not permissible to liken His nature to any of His creatures, for there is nothing like Him on earth or in heaven.
Otherwise, would any Christian accept that someone liken him to an insect??
All the material things that Christian scholars try to imagine the nature of God Almighty with are, in relation to God Almighty, much less - indeed, there is no room for comparison - than an insect is to a human being.
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Second:
How did these geniuses who invented this example assume that the elements of an apple are only taste and smell??
Where is the color, shape and size of the apple that a human being can distinguish with his eyes?? And where is the texture and softness of the apple
that a human being can distinguish with his sense of touch??
And if one of these geniuses responded by saying that all of that is present in the apple itself!!! .. So I say to him, since it is present in the apple itself, oh genius, why did you separate the elements of taste and smell in itself - without the other elements - from the apple itself, and leave the rest of the elements within itself??
Is this an attempt to fabricate and detail any example and peace??
And if you were to separate all the elements from the self, then we would have here more than two elements besides the self.. Does this mean that God would have more than three hypostases, since each element symbolizes a specific hypostasis??
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Third:
I really do not understand how these genius philosophers allowed themselves to violate logic and reason and put the origin with the derivatives in one company and on the same level.
To explain this matter more simply and smoothly and without philosophy as these philosophers do:
When Egypt organized the African Nations Championship in 1986 and all the matches were held in the cities of Cairo and Alexandria,
it was written on the pages of the newspapers .. "Egypt hosts the African Nations Championship" .. or .. "Cairo and Alexandria host the African Nations Championship".
But it is not permissible and unacceptable to write .. "Egypt, Cairo and Alexandria host the African Nations Championship"
because Egypt is the origin that includes all the governorates, cities and villages including Cairo and Alexandria and it is not permissible to put it on the same level and in one company with some governorates or cities located within its territory.
But it can be said .. "Egypt and Morocco host the African Nations Championship" .. if Morocco will share hosting the championship with Egypt .. In this case, the names of Egypt and Morocco can be put in one company since they are both on the same level in terms of being two countries and not a country and a city within a country.
Not only that, but we often find on the pages of newspapers written "Washington and Cairo are looking for ways to cooperate"... and it is not said "Washington and Egypt are looking for ways to cooperate"... since Washington is a capital and should be linked to a capital like it and not to Qatar, otherwise the speech would be weak and illogical.
But we find that Christian scholars have disregarded all the sound standards that should be followed in the style of speech, and they have placed the essence of God, which is the origin, with its derivatives that are part of it on the same level... Not only that, but they have ignored many other derivatives that are much more important than speech (represented in Christ) and giving (represented in the Holy Spirit), such as reason, thinking, mercy, justice and strength, and they have ignored all these more important qualities, and left them as they are in the essence!!!!!
All of the above also applies to the sun, light and heat... The question here is:
How can the sun, which is the origin, be placed with some of its derivatives, which are light and heat??
Did these geniuses forget a very important element of the sun that is no less important than light and heat, which is gravity??
Did they forget that the sun's gravity is what preserves the entity of the entire solar system from collapse??
And did they forget that if the sun was only light and heat, the solar system would have collapsed completely and we would all have been annihilated??
And if they were going to say that gravity exists in the self.. then why did they take only two elements, which are light and heat, and leave the third element, which is gravity, and ignore it??
And why did they not say that God is four hypostases and not three like the sun, light, heat and gravity??
Or was everything they said just an attempt to fabricate and invent an example and peace??
Also, we Muslims believe that God Almighty is like nothing on earth or in heaven.. We also call God by His beautiful names, of which we know ninety-nine names.. Does this mean that we make ninety-nine hypostases for God??
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To all Christians,
I ask you all to read what I have mentioned neutrally and objectively.. and remember well that your minds belong to you alone and not to anyone else, so do not let anyone own them and deprive you of your right to think logically.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.
the sun – its light – its heat
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Therefore, I advise our Muslim brothers to read the response to this nonsense to deter those feeble attempts to prove the Trinity, whether on their minds or face to face with Christians.
************************
These are some examples that the Church, Christian scholars, and ordinary Christians have been repeating in a desperate attempt to explain and clarify what contradicts logic, philosophy, and common sense, namely the principle of the Trinity, which states that there are three in one and one in three.
But.. should Muslims and ordinary Christians swallow the bait whole without thinking??
Christian theologians say in a desperate attempt to explain the illogical Trinity the following:
“ God appears in his three hypostases like an apple. Just as an apple has three properties: self, taste, and smell, and these three properties can be distinguished even if the apple is one. For example, the smell is not the same as the self and taste, and the self is the cause of the taste and smell. Just as an apple does not exist without taste and smell, so too the Father cannot be conceived without the Son and the Holy Spirit. Without these hypostases, the existence of God is not confirmed. When a person eats an apple, he eats the self. With the sense of taste, he distinguishes the taste, and with the sense of smell, he distinguishes the smell .” … End of the brilliant explanation!!!
At first glance, this explanation may succeed in deceiving the poor Christians who have fallen into the clutches of the church, which is trying to cancel the grace of reason that God has given them and mislead them from the truth with such nonsense.
If we contemplate this illogical example calmly and carefully, we will find the following:
First:
God Almighty is the Creator of everything, and it is not permissible to liken His nature to any of His creatures, for there is nothing like Him on earth or in heaven.
Otherwise, would any Christian accept that someone liken him to an insect??
All the material things that Christian scholars try to imagine the nature of God Almighty with are, in relation to God Almighty, much less - indeed, there is no room for comparison - than an insect is to a human being.
____
Second:
How did these geniuses who invented this example assume that the elements of an apple are only taste and smell??
Where is the color, shape and size of the apple that a human being can distinguish with his eyes?? And where is the texture and softness of the apple
that a human being can distinguish with his sense of touch??
And if one of these geniuses responded by saying that all of that is present in the apple itself!!! .. So I say to him, since it is present in the apple itself, oh genius, why did you separate the elements of taste and smell in itself - without the other elements - from the apple itself, and leave the rest of the elements within itself??
Is this an attempt to fabricate and detail any example and peace??
And if you were to separate all the elements from the self, then we would have here more than two elements besides the self.. Does this mean that God would have more than three hypostases, since each element symbolizes a specific hypostasis??
____
Third:
I really do not understand how these genius philosophers allowed themselves to violate logic and reason and put the origin with the derivatives in one company and on the same level.
To explain this matter more simply and smoothly and without philosophy as these philosophers do:
When Egypt organized the African Nations Championship in 1986 and all the matches were held in the cities of Cairo and Alexandria,
it was written on the pages of the newspapers .. "Egypt hosts the African Nations Championship" .. or .. "Cairo and Alexandria host the African Nations Championship".
But it is not permissible and unacceptable to write .. "Egypt, Cairo and Alexandria host the African Nations Championship"
because Egypt is the origin that includes all the governorates, cities and villages including Cairo and Alexandria and it is not permissible to put it on the same level and in one company with some governorates or cities located within its territory.
But it can be said .. "Egypt and Morocco host the African Nations Championship" .. if Morocco will share hosting the championship with Egypt .. In this case, the names of Egypt and Morocco can be put in one company since they are both on the same level in terms of being two countries and not a country and a city within a country.
Not only that, but we often find on the pages of newspapers written "Washington and Cairo are looking for ways to cooperate"... and it is not said "Washington and Egypt are looking for ways to cooperate"... since Washington is a capital and should be linked to a capital like it and not to Qatar, otherwise the speech would be weak and illogical.
But we find that Christian scholars have disregarded all the sound standards that should be followed in the style of speech, and they have placed the essence of God, which is the origin, with its derivatives that are part of it on the same level... Not only that, but they have ignored many other derivatives that are much more important than speech (represented in Christ) and giving (represented in the Holy Spirit), such as reason, thinking, mercy, justice and strength, and they have ignored all these more important qualities, and left them as they are in the essence!!!!!
All of the above also applies to the sun, light and heat... The question here is:
How can the sun, which is the origin, be placed with some of its derivatives, which are light and heat??
Did these geniuses forget a very important element of the sun that is no less important than light and heat, which is gravity??
Did they forget that the sun's gravity is what preserves the entity of the entire solar system from collapse??
And did they forget that if the sun was only light and heat, the solar system would have collapsed completely and we would all have been annihilated??
And if they were going to say that gravity exists in the self.. then why did they take only two elements, which are light and heat, and leave the third element, which is gravity, and ignore it??
And why did they not say that God is four hypostases and not three like the sun, light, heat and gravity??
Or was everything they said just an attempt to fabricate and invent an example and peace??
Also, we Muslims believe that God Almighty is like nothing on earth or in heaven.. We also call God by His beautiful names, of which we know ninety-nine names.. Does this mean that we make ninety-nine hypostases for God??
____________________
To all Christians,
I ask you all to read what I have mentioned neutrally and objectively.. and remember well that your minds belong to you alone and not to anyone else, so do not let anyone own them and deprive you of your right to think logically.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.
Ibn Taymiyyah says in the correct answer in response to these weak examples: ((The heat of fire and its light that exists in it is not fire from fire, nor an essence from an essence, nor is it equal to fire and the sun in essence. Likewise, human speech is not a human from a human, nor is it equal to a human in essence. Likewise, the sun and its light that exists in it, and its rays that exist in it, are not a sun and an essence that exists in itself, and you said: A true God from a true God.))
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