New Testament writers quote from the Haggadah
(1) The fallen angels and their punishment with chains ( 6 And the angels who did not keep their own principality, but left their own habitation, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness until the judgment of the great day. )
The Epistle of Jude speaks here about angels who sinned, so their punishment was eternal chains under darkness until the Day of Judgment. This is exactly the text of the Haggadah story, which states: The blood spilled by the giants cried unto heaven from the ground, and the four archangels accused the fallen angels and their sons before God, whereupon He gave the following orders to them: Uriel was sent to Noah to announce to him that the earth would be destroyed by a flood, and to teach him how to save his own life. Raphael was told to put the fallen angel Azazel into chains, cast him into a pit of sharp and pointed stones in the desert Dudael, and cover him with darkness, and so was he to remain until the great day of judgment. CH. IV http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj106.htm (The blood that the Amalekites shed cried out from the earth to heaven, and the four archangels condemned the fallen angels and their children before God, who gave them the following commands: Uriel was sent to Noah to announce to him that the earth would be destroyed by a flood and to teach him how to preserve his life. Raphael was told to put the fallen angel Azazel into chains, cast him into a pit of sharp and pointed stones in the desert Dudael, and cover him with darkness, and so was he to remain until the great day of judgment.) Do you not notice that Jude, the author of the letter, used the same expressions!! And do they have the nerve to say after that that the Haggadah is Jewish mythology?? How does the Qur’an quote from the legends of the Jews?!!! The same thing happened with the fallen angel Shemhazai: Shemhazai's ilk were handed over to Michael, who first caused them to witness the death of their children in their bloody combat with each other,And then he bound them and pinned them under the hills of the earth, where they will remain for seventy generations, until the day of judgment , to be carried then to the fiery pit of hell.
It is unfortunate that these myths found their way into the Islamic heritage through the Israelite narrations in explaining the story of Harut and Marut,
Paul says in his second letter to Timothy: 3
(8 And asJannes and JambresMoses, so these also resist the truth. They are corrupt in mind and reprobate concerning the faith.)
If we search the entire Bible, we will not find any mention of these Jannes and Jambres,
but we find their mention only in the stories of the Haggadah.
They are two magicians of Pharaoh’s magicians. They were mentioned at the incident of Aaron throwing down his rod that became a snake, and Jannes and Jambres made a similar one with their rods and mocked him.
Jannes and Jambres, the sons of Balaam, derided Moses, saying, “Ye carry straw to Ephrain!” whereto Moses answered, “To the place of many vegetables, thither carry vegetables.” They
were also mentioned when the children of Israel crossed the sea:
They also said to Pharaoh: "If God Himself hath done this thing, we can effect naught. But if this work has been put into the hands of His angel, then we will shake his lieutenants into the sea." They proceeded at once to use their magic contrivances, whereby they dragged the angels
down
.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj303.htm
Thus we understand how Jannes and Jambres resisted the call of Moses,
and from here it becomes clear how the writers of the New Testament, headed by Paul, considered the Haggadah stories to be true, sacred stories without a doubt, and they took lessons from them, and not just myths as the Christians claim.
The story came in the Book of Enoch,
and its text is:
6And
it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
7
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
8
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working with them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tintures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
9
And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth was made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cries up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, “Bring our cause before the Most High.”’ And they said to the Lord of the ages: ‘Lord of lords, God of gods , King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou sees all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou saw what Azâzêl hath did, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has consequently been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are 11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'
10
Then he said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons . And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from among men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for a length of days they shall not have. And no request that they (ie their fathers) make of them shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each of them will live five hundred years.' And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgment and of their consummation, till the judgment that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.
And then all the righteous shall escape,
And shall live till they become thousands of children,
And all the days of their youth and their old age
Shall they complete in peace.
And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. And cleanse you the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrong upon the earth destroy from off the earth. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations shall offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.
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And in those days I will open the store chambers of blessing which are in the heaven, so as to send them down upon the earth over the work and labor of the children of men. And truth and peace shall be associated together throughout all the days of the world and throughout all the generations of men.'
The story in brief
is that some angels married women and gave birth to giants who corrupted the earth, so God Almighty destroyed them in the flood of Noah, peace be upon him, and God punished those fallen angels.
The most amazing thing is that the writers of the New Testament letters seemed to deal with the Book of Enoch as a holy revelation
, and the evidence is
the Epistle of Jude, in which a prophecy was quoted from Enoch!
We read in Jude, chapter 1, verses 14-15
14 And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed ungodly, and of all the harsh words which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
Let us see the similarity between the two texts (Jude and Enoch)
enoch ch1:9
9 And behold! He came with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgment upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
http://www.thenazareneway.com/book_of_enoch.htm
jude ch 1:14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the ADONAY cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/B65C001.htm
There is clearly a terrible match in the texts!!!
...
For more details
https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t16149.html
Because of the previous quote,
Christians differed in their books.
Some of them saw the Book of Enoch as canonical.
Among them is Tertullian, who believed, as is clear from the Wikipedia paragraph, that the Jews refused to recognize the Book of Enoch because of the prophecies in it related to Jesus Christ, peace be upon him
, and until now the Ethiopian Church still recognizes it.
While some of them refused to recognize the Epistle of Jude because it contains a quote from the Book of Enoch, which they consider to be non-canonical.
Here we ask Christians several questions:
How do you say that the Book of Enoch is an apocryphal book while the writer of the Epistle of Jude quotes from it as an inspired canonical book?
Do you believe, as the writers of your holy book believed, that angels married women and gave birth to giants?
And the strangest thing after all this
is that you find someone who says that the Holy Quran copied the story of the fallen angels from the Haggadah.
If you are surprised, then their statement is surprising
1 Timothy 3:8
And as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. They are corrupt in mind, and reprobate concerning the faith.
I wonder who is Professor Jannes...and who is this Jambres???
Tadros Yacoub Malti responds to us saying...
The apostle gave an example of deceitful teachers with what happened in the days of the Prophet Moses and Aaron, when the two deceitful magicians, Jannes and Jambres, resisted them. The Messenger knew the two names not from the Bible but from the Jewish tradition
http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interp...hapter-03.html
And the same thing is said by Anba Raphael
Is the Bible alone enough? - Page 43
The thing that is more annoying is the quotation of the New Testament from the Apocryphal books.... on the basis that they are canonical books.
We find this in the Epistle of Jude
1:9 And when Michael the archangel disputed with the devil, arguing about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a slanderous sentence, but said, “The Lord rebuke you
.” And of course this story of Moses with the devil... is taken from the book “The Lifting of the Body of Moses,” as stated by William Barclay, the interpreter of the New Testament...
and this is an apocryphal book... Good morning, Christians...
The Torah is Forged - Translated and Introduced by Musa Khoury - Volume Two, Page 499
It also came in the Epistle of Jude ...
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints.
The man testifies about Enoch the seventh .... !!!
And he believed in the truth of this prophecy, as William Barclay stated .... A holy scandal and the Lord of the Kaaba.
For your information, the Epistle of Jude was rejected in the past by some of the fathers .....
William Barclay's Interpretation - Page 269
The first ignorance :
This Christian boasted about Josephus’ list as an argument against us, and as support and witness for his words,
but the question is:
? Does Josephus' list testify to the faith of this ignorant man who rejoiced in it and repeated it without knowing its content?
When we asked him this question, he did not find an answer and did not find anything to respond with, so he said this empty talk.
And since you sat down to lament after this little question, here is his list that will make you take a piece of the dust of the earth and place it on your head.
Eusebius of Caesarea: The History of the Church Book - Library of Love, translated and annotated by Father Markos Daoud, Book Three: Chapter Ten: Page 112: Paragraphs 1, 2, 3:
And Eusebius says, quoting Josephus:
We do not have books that differ from each other and contradict each other , but we have only twenty-two books that include all the ages and it is truly accepted that they are divine books.
Brothers, 22 books.
Let us look at the comment of the researcher and translator, Father Markos Daoud:
Josephus did not record them in detail, but they were most likely like this:
1:5 - The Books of Moses
6 - Joshua 7 -
Judges and Ruth
8 - Samuel
9 - Kings
10 - Chronicles
11 - Ezra and Nehemiah
12 - Esther
13 - Isaiah
14 - Jeremiah and Lamentations 15 -
Ezekiel
16 - Daniel
17 - The Twelve Minor Prophets
18 - Job
19 - Psalms
20 - Proverbs
21 - Ecclesiastes
22 - Song of Songs.
God be with you, Josephus .
Look, brothers, at what he cites
. He boasts and wants to establish an argument against us that contradicts his faith. He even boasts about his affiliation with the Orthodox Church and calls it the “right one.”
Have you seen how he boasts in ignorance of something that is completely contrary to his faith? The punishment for that, if he does not know it, is
the Book of Revelation, Chapter Twenty-Two
: 19 “And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the book of life, and from the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book.”
We leave it to Brother Josephus to give him 22 spittles in his face so that he will stop deceiving after that.
The second ignorance :
He continues to testify to the validity of his faith and there is no power or strength except with God,
and the turn came to deceive the Jamnia Council by saying:
When I asked him about the law passed by the Council of Jamnia, he said:
Yes, I know him, and I was a member of him :d
Look at the second scandal and the law passed by the Jamnia Council, which contradicts the faith of his "correct" Orthodox Church
. Josh McDowell: My Trust in the Torah and the Bible, translated by Dr. Munis Abdel Nour:
Josh says while talking about the second canonical books that this ignorant Christian believes in:
The Jewish scholars in Jamnia did not recognize these books.
For the second time, he is bragging and wants to establish an argument against us with words that contradict his faith. Far, far away,
we can only at this moment leave room for the members of this council to spit in your face now, member by member, for your deception of them and your usual lies.
The third ignorance
says in a scientifically invalid phrase:
We asked him about which legislative classification the Talmud falls into.
Note that it is a legislative classification , meaning that it is accepted by those Jews who accept it as a legal text. He also mentioned the Hebrew Jews, whom this Christian considers to be the guardians of his book, and they are the ones who transmitted the Old Testament to him. He said:
Because it is not a canonical book in terms of its classification. When you grow up a little, it is a big topic for you because it is disputed among the Jewish sects. Reform Judaism, which is like the Protestants among us, believes that the Talmud is a purely human work.
Of course, we are not talking about the Karaite Jews, so that we can talk about the Talmud among them as a legitimate text, but when we say a legitimate text, it is known intuitively to anyone who has an iota of knowledge among the Hebrew Jews, the preservers of his book and those who transmitted it to him.... What a poor transmission,
and Abu Jahl denounces, "How is it not included in the list of books?"
I said: Damn ignorance, and damn the priests who brought forth for us this ignorant rabble that disgusts Muslims and blocks their souls from any intention of teaching them what they do not know.
Of course not, and the Talmud will not be included in the canon of the books because it is an oral law and not a written law, so it would not be included in the canon of the books of the Jews.
This is what this field, which has produced this scientific scum, does not know. There is no power or strength except with God.
The Jews believe that the Talmud and the Haggadah, along with the Torah, of course, are the elements of the written and oral law . The written one
is the Torah, and the oral one is the Talmud... etc.
, and both of them were given to Moses by God, according to what they say. Here are some of their words, O X.
The source is Midrash Rabbah מדרש רבה
Midrash Rabbah - Exodus:
1. WRITE THOU THESE WORDS (XXXIV, 27). It is written, If I write for him so many things of My Law, they are accounted as a stranger (Hos. VIII, 12). When God revealed Himself at Sinai to give the Torah to Israel, He communicated it to Moses in order: Bible, Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah , as it says, And God spoke all these words (Ex. XX, 1). Even the question a pupil asks his teacher God told Moses at that time. After he had learned it from God, He told him to teach it to Israel. Moses said: 'Lord of the Universe! Shall I write it down for them?' God replied: 'I do not wish to give it to them in writing, because I foresaw a time when the heathen will have dominion over them and take it away from them, and they will be despised by the idol-worshippers ; Only the Bible will I give them in writing; but the Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah I will give them orally , so that when the idolaters enslave them, they will remain distinct from them.' He said to the prophet: ' " If I write for him so many things of My Law, they are accounted as a stranger. '1 I will, therefore, give them the Bible in writing; but the Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah will I give them orally. ' WRITE THOU- refers to the Bible2; FOR AFTER THE TENOR OF THESE WORDS applies to the Mishnah and Talmud which keep Israel distinct from the idolaters.
As we see in brief, when the Lord gave Moses the Torah on Sinai, He also gave him the Talmud, the Mishnah, and the Haggadah , and that the Lord gave Moses the Mishnah, the Talmud, and the Haggadah orally , unlike the Torah, which was given alone in writing.
This is the first explicit testimony that the Haggadah is an inspired book among the Jews.
The second
Midrash Rabbah - Num :
theyy were all given to Moses on Sinai, and contain statutes and ordinances, Torah, Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah.
Translation:
All of them were given to Moses at Sinai, and contain the laws, ceremonies, and rituals: the Torah, the Mishnah, the Talmud, and the Haggadah .
The third is
Midrash Rabbah - Gen: Torah (Iearning) like the Torah of Eretz Israel, and no wisdom like the wisdom of Eretz Israel. THERE IS BDELLLUM
AND THE ONYX STONE: Viz. Scripture, Mishnah , Talmud, Tosefta , and Haggadah . Commentary: How can the Haggadah be a mythical book and meet these descriptions? Midrash Rabbah -Song: R. Isaac said: Formerly the main outlines of the Torah were known to all, and people sought to learn some lesson of Mishnah or of Talmud3; but now that the main outlines of the Torah are not known, people seek to learn some lesson of Scripture, of haggadah. This is the status of the Talmud among those from whom you took your book , for you did not take your book from a Qaraite or a Samaritan, but from a Hebrew, the son of a Hebrew, and on that happy occasion we leave the Jews - a Jew of a Jew - to each give you a spit in your face as a reward for your lying and deception of them. As usual, to be continued with the "fake talk" according to the expression of Sister X
The two words, as Paul said x,
the second letter of Paul to Timothy, chapter 3
8 And just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. Jannes and Jambres, the sons of Balaam, derided Moses, saying, "
Ye carry straw to Ephrain !" Whereto Moses answered, "To the place of many vegetables, thither carry vegetables. And I will add another verse from the poem, and another proof of the existence of the two persons in a source other than the Haggadah. What is it, brothers? It is the Targum.
וקרא לחוה Read more about this topic
Jannes and Jambres
Jannes
and Jambres
Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon: Targum Pseudo-Jonathan to the Pentateuch. Hebrew Union College, 2005; 2005, S.Ex 7:11
This is Paul repeating the stories of the Targum, brothers,
so why would anyone object if there was a similarity between the stories of the Holy Qur’an and the stories of the Second Targum of Esther, for example
? Or is the Second Targum of Esther yes, and the Targum of Jonathan of the Torah no?
This is the logic of the foolish people of the Book, so do not be surprised.
The question now
is where did Paul get these two people, “Janees and Jambres,” from?
Let us read the Christian sources to see what they say. We do not take information from these ignorant fools, but rather we bring what their books say to establish the argument with it.
Paul likened the heretics of his day to the Egyptian magicians in Exodus 7, who were given the names by Jewish tradition , Jannes and Jambres. The modern heretics will fail in their attacks against the truth just as Jannes and Jambres failed in their attacks against God and his spokesman, Moses.
Elwell, Walter A. ; Beitzel, Barry J.: Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible. Grand Rapids, Michigan. : Baker Book House, 1988, S. 2069
Translation:
Paul linked the corrupt people of our time to the Egyptian magicians mentioned in Exodus 7, and he took their names from the Jewish tradition , Jannes and Jambres... etc.
Where did you get the names from, brothers?
From the Jewish tradition?
Where did you get this from, Muslim? We
got it from the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible.
Comment:
A purely Christian source acknowledges that Paul took the names of these people, and relied in these stories on the Jewish tradition, which, as we presented to you, is the Haggadah and the Targum.
Other than that .
In extrabiblical Jewish writings, two of Pharaoh's magicians are named Jannes and Jambres. Although they are found nowhere in the OT canon , their inclusion by Paul under the guidance of the Holy Spirit establishes the historicity of those Jewish traditions
Believer's Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1995, S. 2 Ti 3:8
Translation: In the Jewish writings added to the Holy Bible, the two Egyptian magicians Jannes and Jambres, although they are not mentioned anywhere in the canonical books, their inclusion by Paul was guided by the Holy Spirit to these historical Jewish traditions.
Comment:
Scandalous
, at a time when Christians say that the books of Jewish tradition containing stories are fables, and here are the words of this ignorant person:
church fathers who denied this book because its unknown author was quoting from the Apocrypha books..!!!
Don't you know that there were churches as a whole that did not believe in this book..!!!
Well, let's get to know you....
First, the identity of the author of this book is unknown
William Barclay's Commentary on the Epistle of Jude
(The Book in the Western Church)
This book, sir, was completely illegal for the Western Church
. The Western Church did not recognize the canonical nature of the Epistle to the Hebrews...and did not accept from the Catholic Epistles (the Epistles of John, Peter, Jude, and James)... except for only three Epistles (1 and 2 John and 1 Peter) ...as for the Eastern Church, it did not recognize the canonical nature of the Book of Revelation...
General idea about the Bible - Page 76
(1) Kart Aland says:
It is clear that the first and second letters of Peter were written by two different persons on different occasions...and
were not brought together until a very late church tradition. Looking at the history of the canon shows us that until the fourth century the Catholic letters were not recognized as a group.
In the third century only the first letter of John and the first letter of Peter were recognized...
As for the second and third letters of John, the second letter of Peter, Jude, and James...they struggled for recognition, but not with the same degree of success (i.e. the first letter of John and the first letter of Peter).
This is the position that Eusebius of Caesarea explained at the beginning of the fourth century...
and the evidence is quite clear...that the vision of John the Theologian at this time was widely rejected in the Eastern churches...
(Travel to the Syrian Church)
They accepted a book called the Diatessaron instead of the four Gospels..!!!! ...and this book was accepted in the churches of the Middle East.!!!
The matter did not go beyond this , but they rejected all the general letters..and the Book of Revelation was also not originally among the books of revelation..!!!
And they added a letter to Paul that we do not know now..called the Third Letter to the Corinthians...!
Modern Commentary on Mark - Page 15
As for the Church Fathers, there is no shortage of talk. Hippolytus, who
only believed in 22 books of the Old Testament, denied this letter...and he denied the letter to the Hebrews because its author is unknown...!!!...and he denied the second and third letters of John, the second of Peter, James, and Jude ....!!!!
Bible Overview - Page 75
It was also denied by Amphilochius, about whom Bruce Metzger (2) says... that he reported on the disputes over the Epistle to the Hebrews, the General Epistles, and the Apocalypse of John... and in fact he did not report his doubts about these books only... but it seems that he rejects the First and Second Epistles of John, the Second Epistle of Peter, and Jude ... and more specifically he rejects the Book of Revelation.
The question is why did some fathers deny this message???
William Barclay responds to us and says that the reason for this is that the writer of this letter quoted from the Apocrypha books such as the Book of the Lifting of the Body of Moses and the Book of Enoch...!!
William Barclay's Interpretation - Page 269
Some of the Church Fathers got out of this predicament...such as Saint Lucifer...who cited most of the books of the New Testament...and when he came to the Epistle of Jude, he quoted almost all of it, but he omitted these verses which are quoted from the Book of the Ascension of Moses and Enoch...
No, not literally, there is nothing, and there are differences between the two versions.
The prophecy is known in the Jewish tradition and was spoken by Enoch, and Jude wrote it from the Jewish tradition.
The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal book, but it is from Jewish literature and the same prophecy is mentioned in it. It does not mean that Jude relied on it
. It means that the two of them relied on the Jewish tradition for prophecies that were not mentioned in the book,
and the prophecy is a million percent correct and speaks about the judgment of the wicked. It is not a myth or a fable.
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William Barclay's Commentary on the Epistle of Jude
Modern Commentary - The Epistle of Jude
If what you are saying is a zero on the left in the scale of scientific research... Go study, kiddo
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