Reply to:- Historical Error in the Qur’an (2) | Crucifixion among the Pharaohs, A debate

 

In the name of God, the Most Gracious,
the Most Merciful, and peace and blessings be upon our master, the Messenger of God
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Our friend says
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Surat Al-A'raf contains twenty-seven verses. Verse eleven: The Almighty says: " I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides. " They said: "O Moses, either you throw or we will be the first to throw." He said: "Rather, throw." And at once their ropes and their staffs appeared to him, because of their magic, to be crawling. So Moses felt fear within himself. We said: "Do not fear. Indeed, you are the superior one. And throw down what is in your right hand; it will swallow up what they have made. What they have made is only the trick of a magician, and the magician will not succeed wherever he goes." So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said: "We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses." He said: "Have you believed in him before I give you permission? Indeed, he is your chief who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides , and I will crucify you on the trunks of palm trees . And you will surely know which of us is more severe in punishment and more lasting. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will crucify you on the trunks of palm trees. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will crucify you on the trunks of palm trees ." Is there a historical reference that mentions that the Pharaohs used to do that? Rather, how can the hands and feet be cut off and then he be crucified? This topic of Moses talks about sin and the law of the father killing his son. So our topic is not who will answer us and say, “ Did the Pharaohs do that?”

Certainly, my dear, there is much evidence that proves beyond doubt that the Pharaohs knew the punishment of crucifixion, but before we discuss it, let us answer your question in which you say:

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How can the hands and feet be cut off and then crucified?

We read in Zahrat Al-Tafasir, Vol. 6, p. 2927: [ The tyrant swore by what he swears by that he would cut off their hands and feet on opposite sides, meaning he would cut off a hand on one side and a foot on the other side ] End quote
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And in Fath Al-Bayan, Vol. 6, p. 431: [ meaning the right leg and the left hand or the left leg and the right hand ] End quote
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Hanging on palm trunks is also called (crucifixion) . So the meaning of this part is that Pharaoh threatened to cut off the right leg and the left hand or vice versa, and not as you imagined, my dear. With this, we have answered the first part and will begin to respond to the origin of your doubt. Come with me and open your holy book and read: Genesis 19:40 19 Within three days yet Pharaoh will lift up your head from off you and hang you on a tree, and the birds will eat your flesh off you . I think you can read!! Pharaoh knows the punishment of crucifixion, and the disaster in the subject, is that this Pharaoh was in the time of Joseph, that is, before the Pharaoh of the Exodus, so the Holy Quran did not make a mistake when it attributed the crucifixion to the Pharaoh of the Exodus, as the Pharaoh of Joseph was long before the Pharaoh of the Exodus, and despite this, at that time the punishment of hanging on a cross, known as ( crucifixion ), was in effect . Father Antonius Fikry says [ Hanging your body = it is a terrifying punishment for the Egyptians , as his body will not be embalmed, and therefore, according to the belief of the ancient Egyptians , he will not be resurrected. ] This site says that the crucifixion was known in the East, and the name of Egypt was mentioned among the cities of the East as evidence of the existence of the punishment of crucifixion . In ancient Egypt, the Egyptians believed that the god Horus was crucified in the heavens, as we read in the book ( Christ In Egypt ) by DM Murdock, quoting Thomas W. Doane: . [ Horus was also crucified in the heavens. He was represented, like...Christ Jesus, with outstretched arms in the vault of heaven . "Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions ] . These are some images that prove the idea of ​​crucifixion among the ancient Egyptians , and they represent Horus crucified: - . . . All of this is evidence that the Pharaoh of the Exodus knew the idea of ​​crucifixion, and even proof of the knowledge of the Pharaohs in general of this type of torture, and it does not matter whether the issue of the knowledge of the Pharaohs has been mentioned in historical sources.

























The crucifixion process, it is enough for the Holy Quran to mention this incident, to prove the people’s knowledge of this type of killing and torture, and until now the reader is shown the extent of this Christian’s extreme ignorance, which reaches the point of ignorance of the content of his book... and no comment !!

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The Christian who wrote the topic hired someone else to respond to me with him. That is, one time he hired someone to respond to him and the other time he hired someone else to respond with him. These people are really tired. To the point that you can't respond to me alone, my little one? Anyway, it doesn't matter. I will make you escape, God willing
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The sword of death, of course, my dear. There is much evidence that proves beyond doubt that the Pharaohs knew the punishment of crucifixion. quote: Christian 2 No, my dear,this is not all that is required. What is required is to chronicle the entire story... and not just the word “crucifixion .”

This Christian appears to be lost. The first intervention in the topic is the Christian who owns the topic and requested the following:

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History of the punishment of crucifixion, can I know that, O Muslims?

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Where did the Christian ask for the date of the whole story? The poor Christian asked for the date of the crucifixion, and we answered him, praise be to God, from his holy book, which he considers more reliable than any historical document..
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His Christian friend, in order to cover up for him, came in and said to me, “No, that’s not what you want,” [ only ] he added [ only ] to patch up his friend’s dark fall from the first intervention. The Christian, the subject’s author, asked for the date of the crucifixion, and in a subsequent intervention, which I quoted, he said:

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Is there a historical reference that mentions that the Pharaohs used to do that ? And how did they cut off hands and feet and then crucify him? This topic of Moses talks about sin and the law of the father killing his son, so our topic is not who will answer us and say did the Pharaohs do that?

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It has been proven that the Pharaohs knew the method of crucifixion as a means of torture and abuse..
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The Christian continues by saying:
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Required: Historical evidence: any historical document, not a quote from a book. What is required is historical evidence.

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Come, let me teach you a lesson, my dear. The Quran mentioned that the Pharaohs knew about crucifixion, and we have proven this. As for your request for a document proving the incident of the crucifixion of the magicians, this is great ignorance. Why? You now want to prove a historical error, and you prove an error when you find a documented incident in history books, and the Quran comes to contradict it. At that time, we search. If we actually find a real, agreed-upon contradiction, then we can accept this from you. But for the Quran to say an incident, and you come and say prove it to us, this is obvious weakness. It is better for you to come with a reliable historical document that denies what the Quran has approved . At that time, we will come to you with a historical document that proves what the Holy Quran did in response to your claim
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Another thing is that we do not prove the authenticity of the Holy Quran through historical documents, as all of history may be wrong and we do not judge the Quran by it, rather history is what is judged, so if it contradicts the Holy Quran, then history is wrong; because falsehood does not come to the Holy Quran from before it, and I hope that my words are understood; so that I do not have to repeat it again like your little friend 
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So, we can summarize what I said in points, which are: -
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1- The Holy Quran mentioned an incident, and you are required to find a single piece of evidence that negates this incident; in order to say [ historical error ], the error is known by the presence of evidence that contradicts what the Quran has stated, not that the error is proven by trying to prove the Quran something that we did not find a single document that contradicted it.
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2- We do not prove the authenticity of the Holy Quran through the authenticity of historical documents, rather we prove the authenticity of historical documents and events from the Holy Quran.
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( Required ): - A historical document [ denies ] this incident, and I am waiting for you 
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We come to another point, which is that when I cited the Holy Book to prove that the ancient Egyptians knew about the crucifixion, the Christian said to me in a response that made me laugh:

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Man, isn't this distorted? Then it has no credibility . Let's leave the distorted and stay with the miraculous book that falsehood cannot approach.

Indeed, it is distorted, my dear, but I cited it to hold you accountable for what is in it. You believe that the Holy Book is inspired by God, and when I mention from it that Pharaoh knew about Joseph’s crucifixion, this is an obligation from your book, and you cannot then open your mouth to say a word, as the book says ( Out of your own mouth I judge you, you wicked servant ) 
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Website? Are you talking about a historical topic on a website? Have websites now become documentation evidence? Where is the documented historical evidence for this period?

When you prove him wrong ,
come and object, but do not object while you are helpless and empty-handed in this way 
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Pictures ?!! Your documented evidence Pictures ?!!!!! Who told you that this is Horus? And to which era do these pictures belong!! Just any pictures ?!!

Calm down my dear, these pictures are taken from the book I mentioned in my previous post 
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What do you mean by my documented evidence, pictures? It's none of your business, it's yours that I prove what the Quran said and it happened. Do you want me to respond as you please or what? You know, you're the one who memorized but didn't understand? You want something in your head, and if Pharaoh himself came to you and told you that this happened, you would tell him to prove it to me. When you come up with one piece of evidence, you helpless person, then there will be talk at that time...
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the next post, we will respond to the original topic owner after I responded to the hired hand who helped him save what was left of his face, if his face remained in the first place.

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I will only respond to what deserves a response, because all I see from the topic owner, "Christian 1", is just bouncing and cheering in an attempt to provoke me, but his attempts are exposed, because this is the way of bankrupt people :)

Let's read this little scandal , to see how Christian 1 and Christian 2 clash in order to prove the illusion of errors in the Quran, both of them do not understand anything at all, and they do not know what they want to prove, so you find one saying one thing and the other saying the opposite, and I am supposed to respond to two things that are opposite to each other!! 

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I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then I will crucify you all (124) Al-A’raf. Meaning,you are ignorantand do not understand anything.This is a punishmentand that is a punishment.If you prove that the two are one punishment, then you have proven ignorance. ****

Meaning, the punishment of cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides is one punishment, and the punishment of crucifixion is a completely different punishment, as evidenced by the fact that the Christian colored the word [ then ] to differentiate between them, and I would be ignorant if I said that the two punishments are one punishment :)

This is very nice talk, but I have never said this and will never say it. But the one who said this is your Christian friend 2, as he says: -

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Let's suppose you brought up something that says that crucifixion was known at that time (and that will never happen, believe me). Would that answer the question? No, believe me. Why? Because the Quran mentioned the specifications of crucifixion  here, as is clear from the apparent text, and mentioned cutting apart from "then" crucifixion in "An-Nahl" . So even if crucifixion was known, the Quran did not only mention crucifixion, but also mentioned "details" of this crucifixion . So this is what is required: "the history of the Quranic punishment of crucifixion ", that is, the one that the Quran spoke about .

The Quranic punishment of crucifixion , the Christian 2 combined the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides with crucifixion and made the first a characteristic of the second, and called it the Quranic doctrine of crucifixion, and thus he combined the two, so I must prove that the Pharaonic crucifixion which [ the Quran mentioned ] was cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides and then crucifixion... Who is left ignorant now? Your friend cursed you without realizing it :)

He did not mention crucifixion only, but mentioned details of this crucifixion
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did not mention crucifixion only, but mentioned details of this crucifixion

The Christian 2 combined the two together and made cutting the characteristic of crucifixion , and this is a grave mistake, and ignorance as his Christian friend 1 said:

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Meaning you are ignorant and do not understand anything. This is a punishment and that is a punishment. If you prove that both are one punishment, then you have proven ignorance.

This is a simple example of the ignorance of the two. The first one tells me that if I merge the two, then I am ignorant. The second merged the two and said, “Bring me evidence of this.” May God heal you, Christians, and have mercy on us from this compound ignorance!

A piece of advice from me, Christians 2.1: Sit down together and fix the subject properly, then talk to me and I will respond to you. At that time, I will respond, God willing, to what you have said. Learn before you speak, you clever ones, and do not quarrel again in your words so that I do not expose you again 
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I will heal you again 
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We have been saying this for a thousand years and because you do not understand the subject, you think we are ignorant....???? Well , sir, can you prove the specifications of crucifixion as the Quran told us? I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will crucify you on the trunks of palm trees - cutting off the hands, then the feet, and then the crucifixion...??? You can't prove it...??? Or will you fail ?

Is this your response to the scandal, my dear? Thank you very much, as I did not expect more than this after I proved to you and Christian 2 that you do not realize what you are discussing. You say something and you want me to prove it, and you even call me ignorant if I combined two punishments, while Christian 2 did the same thing. This is evidence of the extreme ignorance of both of you, unfortunately.

Now, after your scandal, you are asking me to prove it. Proof of what?

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Okay , sir, can you prove the specifications of steel as the Quran told us?

And before that, she says:

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Unfortunately, no Muslim was able to prove that the punishment of cutting off the legs and hands and then crucifixion was among the Pharaohs.

Didn't you also tell me that I would be ignorant if I combined the two? You have now made cutting a characteristic [ specification ] of crucifixion, and you have also combined the two punishments. Should I call you ignorant now? I will not do that, but it is enough for me how you see yourself now and how you see your doubt!!

Before I start responding, who told you that cutting off hands and feet was one of the characteristics of crucifixion at the time of the Pharaohs? Your saying this means that they were accustomed to it, so their crucifixion became distinctive and characterized by cutting before hanging.. So where did you get that this is one of the characteristics of crucifixion? Please don't tell me which verse is in question, so you don't make me laugh more :)

Praise be to God, we have proven that the Pharaohs knew about crucifixion. Joseph's Pharaoh knew about crucifixion, as the Book of Genesis says ( And if you doubt, reject what your book says, my dear, for it is an argument against you ). If the one who came before knew about this process, would it be hidden from the one who came after? Joseph's Pharaoh was crucified, so how can we doubt that the Pharaoh of the Exodus did not know this, and he was the one who followed Joseph's Pharaoh? Rather, how can we say that the Pharaohs in general did not know this type of torture? Be rational, Christians. You have made everyone laugh :)

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Hahahahahaha you didn't know how to prove that it happened. How can it be denied? How can something be denied if it couldn't be proven?

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For example, imagine that you asked me to find a historical document that denies that this Pharaoh had a laptop.

I want a document in general that describes the method of crucifixion of the Pharaohs, in a document like this? Well, is there a document that mentions that the Pharaohs did not know crucifixion? Since the Quran mentioned this incident, it is proven, so now you want to prove an error in the Quran, the Quran says something, bring something that contradicts it so we can discuss, but the absence of something that contradicts it creates a very high probability that what the Quran mentioned is correct and not an illusion, so if it is an illusion, is there a single historical document - before the Quran - that says that crucifixion was not common at the time of the Pharaohs, or is there a single document that describes the method of crucifixion? I mean, imagine that the Quran did not say anything, is there a document that discusses these topics at all? ( Required 1 ): - A document [ before the Quran ] that describes the method of crucifixion of the Pharaohs, so that we can see if your objection has any value, if there is a document that says otherwise, we open the Quran and see what it says, and then the criticism begins, but to demand evidence for something that no one has been able to prove wrong.. this is a kind of madness, because a thing is known by its opposite!! ( Required 2 ): - A document [ before the Qur'an ] says that the Pharaohs did not know the crucifixion, and when you bring it, we will compare it with the Qur'an and the criticism begins, knowing that you will challenge your book and what the Book of Genesis said, so be careful! Take your time :) As for your saying that I am falsifying because of what the English website said, this made me laugh a lot, because I brought evidence for my words from the tongue of Thomas W. Doane, so if you want to object, go to him and direct your objection to his words :) And I will repeat his words again, because in the repetition there is benefit: - We read in the book ( Christ In Egypt ) by DM Murdock, quoting Thomas W. Doane: . [ Horus was also crucified in the heavens. He was represented, like... Christ Jesus, with outstretched arms in the vault of heaven. " Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions ] This is what I quoted verbatim from the book and nothing else, so where is the deception, my dear? Please focus a little :) I am waiting for you, and I hope your interventions will be valuable, and if I do not find historical documents according to what is required, then it is a clear and indisputable declaration of your bankruptcy and the dialogue will be over... Good luck :) .

And say , “The truth has come, and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is bound to perish.”
[ Al-Isra’: 81 ]

Praise be to God. The bankruptcy and inability of both Christian 1 and Christian 2 have become clear, and neither of them was able to provide evidence for what I asked of them. I said at the end of the previous intervention:

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Waiting for you, and I hope that your interventions will be valuable. If I do not find historical documents according to what is required, then it is a clear and indisputable declaration of your bankruptcy and the dialogue will be over ... Good luck :)

When I returned to them, I did not find what I had asked for, and with that the discussion ended, thank God, and the inability of both of them became clear, as I do not have time to waste on empty sophistry and going around in circles. After I closed the door on them with my clear and frank statement:

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I mean, imagine that the Qur’an did not say anything . Is there a document that even mentions these topics ?

I asked [in general] for any historical documents that discuss the Pharaohs and deny their knowledge of crucifixion in the first place, if any exist, and I asked for another document that describes crucifixion in general as the Pharaohs used to do it. So, apart from what the Holy Quran said, I wanted to prove the inability of both and their inability to provide a single piece of evidence that addresses these topics. I mean, I am now assuming that the Quran did not say anything. Is there [originally] any historical document that addresses these topics?
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there a document, manuscript, or papyrus that describes the method of crucifixion of the Pharaohs? The answer: Complete inability on the Christian side.
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there a document, manuscript, or papyrus that says that the Pharaohs did not know crucifixion at all? The answer: Complete inability on the Christian side
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We have proven that crucifixion was known to the ancient Egyptians without the need for historical documents and so on. We opened the Bible in the Book of Genesis and read what it says, and we found:

Genesis 19:40
19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head from off you, and will hang you on a tree, and the birds will eat your flesh from off you
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Thus, Christians are bound by what their book says, as it is a strong argument against them, and there is no way to reject it. Whether they agree or reject it, their book acknowledges the knowledge of the Pharaohs [Pharaoh of Joseph] of the crucifixion, and it is over. 

As for the method of crucifixion, I requested evidence of:

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Who told you that cutting off hands and feet was a characteristic of crucifixion at the time of the Pharaohs? What you say means that they were accustomed to it, so their crucifixion became distinctive and characterized by cutting before hanging. So where did you get that this is one of the characteristics of crucifixion?

Of course, the silence was as silent as the graves, and no one responded to me. Thus, their inability was once again demonstrated. 

We will return to respond to what is deserved from the last intervention, and close the subject file. I will not respond to all the interventions, because most of them are just sophistry and empty talk to patch up the emptiness and weakness of the response, but this does not fool us.

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Listen dear, is cutting up a punishment nice? Nice? Is crucifixion a punishment nice? Nice. The Quran in your hands in 2012 linked them together with “then” so they became one punishment in total, that is, a punishment consisting of two parts, each part is a punishment. I don’t know what’s important in this! Whether it’s one punishment or two punishments or even if we don’t contradict each other or contradict each other!! You didn’t respond to anything in any direction!!

Then he says after that:

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Why my dear, is it wrong? Well, let me quote Mr. ***'s sentence and say it too so you know that there is no mistake or contradiction. This is a punishment and this is a punishment.

Of course, the professor proved that he was ignorant (according to his professor), as his professor said literally:

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This is a punishment and this is a punishment , and if it is proven that the two are one punishment, then ignorance is proven.

Why didn't you finish his words? Because you know that you are wrong and unable to respond to your scandal, besides that you repeated the same mistake when you said:

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The Qur’an that you have in your hands in 2012 linked them together with “then” so they became one punishment in total , meaning a punishment consisting of two parts, each part being a punishment.

Thank you again for your ignorance as your professor says, and thus you have proven the scandal once again by merging the two punishments into one punishment, so where is the evidence that they are both one punishment? We want evidence, but it's too late :)

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Let me explain what you mean so that my conscience is clear: When he tells you, "Prove to me the crucifixion," does it mean where is the crucifixion mentioned? In the Quran, why? Because you are a Muslim and believe in it. For example, he wouldn't bring you a history book or any book that you don't believe in and tell you to prove it. Why? Because you don't believe in it. Good? Good. Well, the book that you believe in, did it mention the word "I will crucify you" in a place devoid of words? No, it mentioned it and before it were things. What is required of you is to prove the crucifixion. What crucifixion? The one before it were these things. I was explaining the subject in detail for you so that you would know what we are asking about.

Likewise, I have brought you evidence from the Holy Book to prove that the Pharaohs knew about crucifixion, and thus I have no argument anymore. As for what you have mentioned, it is wrong. When you prove something wrong, you must have a document that explains it, and after that we see if it contradicts the Quran or not. In other words, thousands of years ago, before the Holy Quran, is there a document or papyrus that denied that the Pharaohs did not know about crucifixion? Well, is there a document that described crucifixion among the Pharaohs? This was before the Quran said anything. I do not want a document that says what the Quran says, no, I want a document that discusses these topics in the first place. Do you have any document? Take your time and when you find it, come then, and let us see what these documents say and what the Holy Quran said. My words are clear and simple for anyone with a little bit of intelligence and they do not need explanation!!

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No dear, you are wrong. When I spoke about the first punishment and the second punishment, I did not say that they are only one punishment, meaning one punishment, either this or that.

I didn't say that you said this, my dear. Pay close attention to what I said and you will find that I said:

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The Qur’anic punishment of crucifixion , the Christian2 combined the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides with crucifixion and made the first a characteristic of the second , and called it the Qur’anic doctrine of crucifixion

And do not forget that you are ignorant [by the standards of] your friend, I mean your teacher :) I did not insult you or curse you, my dear, as you are slandering me :)

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Who said that the Quran is a subject of separation in the first place? What is in the Quran needs evidence to be proven, then we begin the historical research for criticism.

Isn't the Quran a place of judgement for me, since I believe in it, or do you choose when it will be an argument against me and when it won't? Since it is an argument and a judgement for me, you must discuss my faith and prove it wrong. Don't pick and choose, you Christian, and be reasonable in your words :)

And in the end :)


So he who disbelieved was dumbfounded. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. [Al-Baqarah: 258 ]

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The Christian says :

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Who will answer us and say did the pharaohs do that?

First: Smith's Bible Dictionary mentions under the word crucifixion

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http://www.biblestudytools.com/dicti...ucifixion.html

Brief translation: Crucifixion was used by the Egyptians as stated in Genesis

Van Dyke: Gen-40-19: “Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head from off you and hang you on a tree, and the birds will eat your flesh from you.

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As also stated in Gesenius's Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon

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It is worth mentioning that one of the meanings of the word תָּלָה mentioned in Genesis 40:19 is crucifixion.

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Therefore, the ancient Egyptians knew crucifixion during the time of Joseph’s Pharaoh, which, as my brother mentioned, was the sword of death before the time of Moses’ Pharaoh.
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Second: Historians of the Pharaonic civilization mention the existence of the punishment of crucifixion.





Brief translation: Among the official punishments is burning alive or piercing the body on a stake and leaving it until death (by impalement) (which is one of the types of crucifixion as will become clear later)

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This is a site that contains pictures of Pharaonic papyri of this punishment

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...l/crucify.html

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Impaled means they were crucified or impaled ?

Impaling or impalement is a type of crucifixion,

as this website specializing in Bible studies confirms.

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http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/...rucifixion.htm

Brief translation: The Babylonians, Persians, and Assyrians used different types of crucifixion, including hanging on a stake (impalement)

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This is confirmed by the Encyclopedia of the Bible

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This book, which talks about the cross in heritage, history and art




, illustrates with pictures that there are two types of crucifixion: crucifixion on a stick or crucifixion by hanging from a stake (impalement)

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The Christian says

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Have you found this punishment cutting off hands and feet and crucifying him????

The book Punishment & Reformation





states: Amputation and mutilation are ancient punishments known to the Egyptians. It then mentions examples of crimes punishable by amputation of some limbs, such as amputation of the hand of a forger and amputation of the tongue of someone who divulges state secrets, etc.

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Historians specializing in Egyptology also mention the existence of this punishment in their books






. Abbreviated translation: Ordinary criminals were punished by amputation of the nose and ear and beating of the feet. In heinous crimes, the criminal was burned alive or crucified on a stake.

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This book settles the debate about the punishment of amputation among the ancient Egyptians.





Abbreviated translation: Amputation of limbs was a widespread punishment among the ancient Egyptians, and it is not proven that it was only a punishment for those who gave incorrect measurements
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The Christian says :

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But Pharaoh told Moses that he would crucify them after he cut off his hands and feet. When you and the stupid Islamic Awareness website find it, come on, tell us.

That is, he asks for evidence of the possibility of combining the punishment of crucifixion with the cutting off of hands and feet.

First: This book specializing in ancient Pharaonic civilization states,





in brief: Sometimes the court bears the responsibility of declaring the prisoner guilty.. Then the Pharaoh decides the type of punishment.

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Comment: Therefore, the punishment is open and left to the Pharaoh.

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This book specializes in





settling the matter. In brief: The punishment may be beating, amputation (generally cutting off the nose and/or ear), or impalement (by killing by piercing = by impalement) .. or any two of them combined or even all three punishments together.

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Regarding your question, the verse says {your hands} and here it means the palm and not the arm, and “from opposite sides” refers to the legs. If it is said that it refers to one of the hands with one of the legs, then there is nothing wrong with that.

Well done, may God have mercy on you, my dear brother and teacher, Shihab.

Below is a pharaonic mural showing that cutting off the hand from the palm was a type of punishment among the ancient Egyptians:

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This is another mural that shows the method of hanging on wood (crucifixion):







if you look closely at the picture, it shows an ancient Egyptian crucified with his hands cut off at the palms :

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Original post written by Al-Shihab Al-Thaqib  Regarding your question, the verse says {your hands} and here it means the palm and not the arm, and “from opposite sides” refers to the legs. If it is said that it refers to one of the hands with one of the legs, then there is nothing wrong with that.

Well done, may God have mercy on you, my dear brother and teacher, Shihab.

Below is a pharaonic mural showing that cutting off the hand from the palm was a type of punishment among the ancient Egyptians:

This image is in another size. Click here to view the image in its correct form. The image dimensions are 1352x1600.

This image is in another size. Click here to view the image in its correct form. The image dimensions are 1600x1048.

This is another mural that shows the method of hanging on wood (crucifixion):






if you look closely at the picture, it shows an ancient Egyptian crucified with his hands cut off at the palms :

This image is in another size. Click here to view the image in its correct form. The image dimensions are 743x553.