O Allah, bless and grant peace to the beloved chosen one, our master Muhammad.
In the midst of talking about “Zion,” we will throw behind us the extravagances of the interpreters of the Christian holy book - words that do not bind us and are not an argument against us - and we will focus only on some of what was written by the pen of the bearers of the wooden doctrine in a rare moment of truth.
We read from the dictionary: Holman Bible Dictionary
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T he most common usage of Zion was to refer to the city of God in the new age ( Isaiah 1:27 ; Isaiah 28:16; Isaiah 33:5.)
The common definition of Zion makes it the city of God in the new age!
the dictionary of the Christian Holy Book, in the midst of its definition of Zion, it provided us with the text of Isaiah 1:27 as a reference. Referring to the mentioned verse, the surprise was!!!
The text:
Zion shall be redeemed with justice, and her repentant with righteousness.
And its interpretation:
What is learned from the interpretation of Nashed Hanna, who speaks with guidance and inspiration from the Holy Spirit: 1- Zion, the faithful
city ??? Here we ask, when was Jerusalem (the alleged Zion) faithful ?? The
answer is on the tongue of the Takla website:
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(4) The meaning of Jerusalem: There is no definitive opinion regarding the meaning of the original name, but the oldest known forms of the name, “Uru-Sa-Lim,” have been considered by many to mean either “ the city of peace ” or “the city of (the god) Salem.” But other commentators consider it a name of Hebrew origin meaning “possession of peace” or “foundation of peace.” It is an irony of history that a city that has seen little peace throughout its long history, and for the sake of its capture rivers of blood were shed , could have such a meaning.
Source
: From here Isn’t the description of the interpreter Nashed Hanna ( the safe village ) completely identical to what the true divine revelation mentioned regarding the safe city of Mecca the honored ???
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By the fig and the olive (1) And Mount Sinai (2) And this secure city (3) We have certainly created man in the best stature (4) Then We return him to the lowest of the low (5) Except for those who believe and do righteous deeds, for they will have a reward uninterrupted (6) So who will then deny you the Judgment? (7) Is not Allah the best of judges? (8) / Surah At-Tin
2- The interpreter Nashed Hanna erased "with an eraser" a basic pillar of the pillars of the wooden belief!! Zion, according to the same Christian interpreter, its visitors will have their sins and transgressions forgiven without the need for redemption by the blood of the crucified one !!!! Doesn't Nashed Hanna's interpretation apply to the city of the Lord, Mecca, the safe country in which the greatest rituals of God are performed and accomplished , such as Hajj and Umrah, etc., and by virtue of which man is purified from sins and transgressions without the need for a play called "crucifixion and redemption"???
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Isaiah 52:1
Awake, awake; put on your strength.
Oh Zion
Put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city,
For he will no longer enter you uncircumcised or unclean .
@kufrcleaner
Mecca: The Holy City, Forbidden to the Uncircumcised and the Unclean
We read from the Book of Isaiah 52:1
Awake, awake, put on your strength, O Zion; put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city, for the uncircumcised and the unclean shall no longer enter you. In the accompanying
interpretation by Father Antonious Fikry, we read:
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The uncircumcised shall not enter you: It is clear that this was not fulfilled in the return of Israel from captivity, for the Greeks and Romans entered it after that, but this was fulfilled in the establishment of the heavenly church on earth.
Father Anthony, speaking with the inspiration, guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit, categorically denies the realization of preventing the uncircumcised from entering Jerusalem , and to cover up the real place, he presents a mercurial, gelatinous explanation [ but this was realized in the establishment of the heavenly church on earth. ] As everyone knows, the Jew Saul, known as Paul, forbade Christians from being circumcised , in opposition to the commandment of Yahweh stated in Genesis 17:11 [1], when he said: Behold, I, Paul, say to you, that if you are circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you! [2] Accordingly, the Christian acrobatic interpretation of the text of Isaiah 52 is a bruised crutch and a shaky wall that should not be leaned on because, as everyone knows, the uncircumcised Christian is not included in the prohibition law because he can enter his church with complete freedom and ease.
Regarding the Jews, Father Antonius Fikry gives us a funny interpretation that says:
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As for the Jews, we may understandthe verse to mean that they did not return to paganism and that Ezra and Nehemiah commanded them to leave their pagan wives.
It is clear and obvious that the Christian interpreter, based on the principle of: “Lie so that the glory of the Lord may increase” [3], stuck his nose into what does not concern him (the matter of the Jews) and presented an interpretation according to his whims and moods, because there is no connection, near or far, between the prohibition of the uncircumcised and the unclean from entering the intended Jerusalem [4] and the Jews abandoning paganism, as the priest claims, the disciple who surpassed his teacher Paul in lying.
In order to expose the pastor’s attempt to deceive and mislead a Christian who speaks Arabic, I place before you the text of Isaiah 52 in its original language (Hebrew):
עוּרִי עוּרִי לִבְשִׁי עֻזֵּ צִיּוֹן לִבְשִׁי בִּגְדֵי תִפְאַרְתֵּ יְרוּשָׁלִַם עִיר הַקֹּדֶשׁ כִּי לֹא יוֹסִיף The word in
question is ʿAyn -Resh- Lameed , pronounced as "Ariel", and its meaning according to Strong's Dictionary is: uncircumcised [ 5].
Uncircumcised is the same meaning as in the English translation:
Awaken, awaken, put on your strength, O Zion; put on the garments of your beauty, Jerusalem the Holy City, for no longer shall the uncircumcised or the uncleancontinue to enter you.
Referring to the interpretation of Rashi, the most famous Jewish interpreter, we find that he was silent about the permissible speech, as he moved directly to interpreting the second verse, and thus it becomes clear and proven that the Christian interpreters' involvement of the paganism of the Jews in the subject is nothing but a blatant lie and deception!
The words of the Jewish interpreter can be found verbatim by clicking here.
Conclusion : The talk about the place forbidden to the uncircumcised does not apply to the idolatry of the Jews nor to Jerusalem (in occupied Palestine) because the latter was and will remain until the end of time teeming with the uncircumcised, and we mention in particular the Trinitarian Christians .
We Muslims, with all pride, say that the place intended by the good news mentioned in Isaiah 52 is Mecca ( Jerusalem: the foundation of peace ), which is forbidden to enter for the polytheists and the unclean [6]. And whoever claims that there is another place other than it, please do us the favor of mentioning its name and its coordinates! --------------------------------------------
[ 1 ] You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. [ 2 ] Galatians 5:2 [ 3 ] Romans 3 / 7: For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? [ 4 ] Jerusalem means as defined by the Holy Christian Dictionary: Foundation of Peace [ 5 ] H6189 [ 6 ] Surah At-Tawbah, Verse No.: 28
What is meant by the word "unclean" in Isaiah 52???? Hebrew
text:
תִפְאַרְתֵּ יְרוּשָׁלִַם עִיר הַקֹּדֶשׁ כִּי לֹא יוֹסִיף יָבֹא־בָ The
word in question is: טמֵא / tet. meem. aleph / and its pronunciation is: "tami" and its meaning according to the dictionary of the Christian Holy Book [7]:
unclean, impure
Unclean / impure /
religiously
Religiously,
then, those forbidden from entering the Holy City are:
1- All uncircumcised (uncircumcised) 2- All those who are religiously impure (people with corrupt and malicious beliefs)
-------------------------- H2931: [7]
One of the thieves of religions and bandits of Sharia law wrote what he thought was a (response) to the subject, saying:
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We start with the help of the Lord
Which one of them?? The Father?? The Son?? Or the Holy Spirit???
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With a very simple reading we find that verse 2 of the same chapter says, “Shake yourself from the dust, arise, sit down, O Jerusalem, be loosed from the bands around your neck, O captive daughter of Zion.” From here I ask, is Mecca’s name Jerusalem and the world does not know? Is Mecca’s name Daughter of Zion? Is it possible for Mecca to be called “the captive”? Verse 3 says, “For thus says the Lord: ‘You were sold for nothing, and you shall be redeemed without money.’” Here he is talking about the fact that the Lord brought them back from captivity and they did not pay anything. Verse 4 says, “For thus says the Lord God: ‘My people went down to Egypt at first to sojourn there, and then Assyria oppressed them without cause.’” Did the people of Mecca sojourn to Egypt? What is the relationship between Mecca and this people and Assyria? May your mercies be upon you, O my God.
First: Jerusalem means (city of peace / foundation of peace) and it does not necessarily mean the city of Jerusalem located in occupied Palestine because you as Christians also give this name to your (glorified) church.
By the way, I recall a funny Christian comment on the meaning of Jerusalem:
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Meaning of Jerusalem: There is no definitive opinion as to the original meaning of the name, but the oldest known form of the name, "Uru-sa-lim", has been considered by many to mean either "City of Peace" or "City of (God) Salem". But other commentators consider it a name of Hebrew origin meaning "possession of peace" or "foundation of peace". It is an irony of history that a city that has seen so little peace throughout its long history, and for the capture of which rivers of blood were shed, could have such a meaning.
as the honorable observer will notice, even the Christian priests who speak with guidance, inspiration, and direction from the Holy Spirit doubt that the City of Peace is Jerusalem (located in occupied Palestine), which has known throughout its long history fierce wars during which seas of blood were shed!
And here is this bombshell:
We read from: Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible
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There has never been a single moment in all of human history when literal Jerusalem was actually “holy.
Never once in human history has Jerusalem been literally holy.
Read also from: John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible
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this shows that the prophecy cannot be understood of Jerusalem literally, nor of the times of the Babylonish captivity, and deliverance from it, since after this the uncircumcised and the unclean did enter into it
This shows that the prophecy should not be understood literally for Jerusalem because during the Babylonian captivity and even after it, the uncircumcised and the uncircumcised entered this city!
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Second: As for the word Zion, the Christian priests were confused about providing an accurate definition of its meaning?? Is it Jerusalem?? Or one of its hills?? Is it the Temple of the Prophet Solomon?? Is it the Church of the Jews and their nation ?? Or is it heaven in general and in detail??
Third: Only the first verse is the subject of the research, the rest of the verses of chapter 52 do not bind me in anything because I consider them filler intended by the lying pen of the scribes to divert attention from the real Jerusalem (Mecca the Honored) and with premeditation and deliberation as well!
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Hence, Father Antonious Fikry’s interpretation was rejected, and Father Antonious Fikry’s interpretation is wrong.
Your father, Antonius Fikry, after he fell into a “confusion”, found no escape from the predicament except by writing and clinging to the cloak of the Jewish interpreters, and even slandering them as well!
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You presented a Jewish interpretation that did not comment on the text at all!! What is this?
Have you ever asked yourself why one of the greatest Jewish commentators refrained from providing even a brief comment on this verse???
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Come on, let's see what you objected to in Father Antonius Fikry's interpretation : "But this was fulfilled in the establishment of the heavenly church on earth." Isn't this what you described as an acrobatic interpretation?
1:- Why didn’t you put this part in front of the rest of the followers of your forum:
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The uncircumcised shall not enter you = It is clear that this was not fulfilled in the return of Israel from captivity, as the Greeks and Romans entered it after that.
2- The Christian interpreter ’s statement: “But this was fulfilled in establishing the heavenly church on earth” is indeed an acrobatic interpretation because the churches of the earth in general and Jerusalem in particular are full
of uncircumcised men , the uncircumcised, the uncircumcised!
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1:- Walford: This undoubtedly refers to the time when Christ will establish the Kingdom of God on earth [1]
Alford states that the matter is future and is linked to the appearance of the Messiah (the pagans will be prevented from entering the Holy City when the Messiah comes).
Your father Antonius Fikri stated in his interpretation that the matter has already been fulfilled in complete contradiction with the Western commentators:
We read from: Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
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no more… unclean — (Isaiah 35:8; Isaiah 60:21; Joel 3:17; Revelation 21:27). A prophecy never yet
fulfilled .
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Continuing with His encouragement, the Lord says to His people, “Wake up! The day is coming when the unclean will no longer be in Jerusalem.” If you go to Jerusalem today, you can sense the riches of the area, but you can also see the sin and corruption. It won't always be that way, however, for when Jesus comes back to rule and reign in Jerusalem, it will be a holy city, indeed.
John Crosson exposed the fraud of your father Antonius Fikry. You think they are all the same, but their hearts are different!!! The prohibition according to John Crosson will be fulfilled during the second coming !
Stay and meet me if it happens!
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KJV commentary said that the uncircumcised and the unclean (unrighteous) means “unbeliever” [3] when Jerusalem will once again be the holy city, and the uncircumcised and the unclean (unrighteous)
The King James comment that refers to Jerusalem being forbidden to the unclean (morally unclean) and the uncircumcised is not an argument against the Muslim. This is first. The second word unclean alone means unbeliever. Stop your deception and lies, O disciple of Paul!
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The uncircumcised and the unclean. The wicked will have no share in the city of God (48:22 ; Nah. 1:15; Rev. 21:27; 22:14, 15).
Are circumcised and unclean people forbidden from entering Jerusalem?? Of course not ! See what was said in the Christian commentaries above.
Lauder and Whitlock did not refer from far or near to Jerusalem, he called the intended city ( the city of God ) . Thank you for your cooperation! Keep visiting us every day!
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Saint Jerome [5] it is called the holy city because, of all the world's cities, it alone accepted the law.
The wretched missionary, instead of treating it, blinded it!
Saint Jerome says that the reason the city is called the Holy City is because it is the only city in the world that accepted the law ( the law preventing uncircumcised people and non-believers/infidels from entering it ) - End of translation -
As everyone knows, Mecca is the only city in the world where this law is in effect.
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Saint Cyril of Alexandria [6] Where Christ Cleans and Protects. Cyril of Alexandria: He calls the holy city “the church .”
Saint Cyril of Alexandria says that the church is what is meant by the holy city! - End -
So your father Cyril of Alexandria is telling you to forget about Jerusalem completely
We continue to shock the miserable missionary and his gang:
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You said that the word uncircumcised\Arl, means uncircumcised, and why did you say its meaning in the first place? No one would understand that uncircumcised means uncircumcised from the Arabic translation. You are tiring, to be honest.
Why did I say its meaning??? Because some charlatans like you mention the meaning of the word according to mood and whims (as I will prove later)
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Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) says 6888 עָרֵל (ʿā∙rēl): adj.; ≡ Str 6189; TWOT 1695b—1. LN 11.52 uncircumcised, i.e., pertaining to having a foreskin of the penis
This dictionary will slap you on the back of your head! Str 6189??? Isn't this the number I put as a reference in the topic and the one that made the opposite of the word: uncircumcised, uncircumcised, uncircumcised??? And this is the intended meaning of the phrase: "pertaining to having a foreskin of penis " referring to the presence of the foreskin of the penis !!!
It is clear that the miserable missionary copies and pastes without awareness or understanding!
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The stubborn and unbelieving, and he gave us an example of this, which is Leviticus 26:41 Lev 26:41 And I also walked with them in opposition, and brought them into the land of their enemies. Unless then their uncircumcised hearts will be subdued, and then they will pay for their sins Lev 26:41 Read more Is there a cover here? It means uncircumcised!
The use of the word in Leviticus 26:41 (Hebrew text) is merely a metaphor or simile, unlike the use of the word in Isaiah 52:1, which is a real use .
Other Arabic translations of the same verse do not use the same word:
Leviticus 26:41
Good news
that I also went too far in my opposition to them, and brought them into the land of their enemies, that their ungodly hearts might be humbled, and that they might bear the penalty for their sins
in life:
which caused me to turn against them, and to exile them into the land of their enemies, even though their unclean hearts should be humbled , after they had received the full penalty for their sins.
The wretched missionary tries to make us understand that the word uncircumcised in Isaiah’s gospel means uncircumcised!
I doubt he ever read Genesis 17:14, which says:
“But the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin , that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken
my covenant.” Sometimes contradiction leads its owner to destruction!
hihi
I remind the missionary of his own words:
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You said that the word uncircumcised\Arl, means uncircumcised, and why did you say its meaning in the first place? No one would understand that uncircumcised means uncircumcised from the Arabic translation. You are tiring, to be honest.
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The issue is not as you understood, that its literal meaning is uncircumcised.
That means, Your Excellency, they understand more than:
1-: Your sanctified book???
Isaiah 52:1 (Topic of research)
Good news Awake, O Zion, and put on your strength. Put on your glorious garments, O Jerusalem, O holy city. For the uncircumcised and the unclean will no longer enter you.
Genesis 34:14
2-: Fathers of your church??
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The uncircumcised is the uncircumcised , so the prepuce and the foreskin are the uncircumcised .
ערל: uncircumcised, uncircumcised (having foreskin, which is the skin or membrane that covers the head of the penis / glans).
So the one who disbelieved was shocked!!
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Then I came up with the idea that Paul forbade circumcision for Christians, and Christians said that if the text was talking about the coming of Christ to establish the Kingdom of God, then Christians were not among those who joined because Paul forbade circumcision!!
I am not the only one who says that Christians - being uncircumcised - are not among those who enter the true Jerusalem , the city of God!
The commentators of your holy book have also conveyed that!
Adam Clarke in this section accuses Christians of distorting and falsifying certain passages of the Holy Book against the Jews for a purpose in the soul of Jacob:
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The uncircumcised and the uncle - Christians have turned many passages of the prophets against the Jews
Here it is useful to say that Christians are meant by the uncircumcised, the uncircumcised:
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by the uncircumcised , the Christians are meant
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Where in the text does Paul forbid circumcision?
In order to put the honorable follower in the picture, it is not bad to introduce them to the clear and explicit text of the circumcision legislation, which made the latter (circumcision) a sign and an eternal covenant between Yahweh and his followers, Jews and Christians :
Genesis 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and you, and your descendants after you throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant , to be a God to you and to your descendants after you.
From the accompanying commentary by William Marsh:
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The covenant of circumcision: that is, the confirmation of the covenant by the secret of circumcision and among your descendants after you. The Abrahamic covenant includes the offspring of the father with him. Although the reference is first to Christ, the offspring of Abraham, it also refers to the children of believers (Galatians 3:9) “Those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham” and (Acts 2:39) “For the promise is to you and to your children ” and the love of Christ includes and blesses young children.
What is this covenant???
Genesis 17: Verse 10 -----------Verse 14
This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised . You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin . And it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. Every male among you who is eight days old throughout your generations must be circumcised : he who is born in your house, and he who is bought with money, and every foreigner who is not of your descendants, he who is born in your house, and he who is bought with your money, must be circumcised. And my covenant will be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. But the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin , that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant .”
- End -
Luke 2:21 And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the child, his name was called JESUS , the name given him by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Perhaps the missionary is ignorant of the fact that his god himself was a circumcised god, and that is why I put this verse before him, and here I ask:
A - Why do Christians not get circumcised in imitation of their god??? B- There is not a single clear and explicit text in which the God of the Church forbade circumcision. How could he not, when He came to fulfill, not to abolish!
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets . I did not come to abolish but to fulfill
. So where in the text does the founder of Christianity, Paul, forbid circumcision?
The text is clear and explicit, but you want to turn a blind eye or act stupid ! For further clarification, here is the approved Christian interpretation:
Under the title The Danger of Legalism, the interpreter William MacDonald wrote:
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Galatians 5:2 The Danger of Legalism
Legalism robs Christ of his true value, so to speak. The Judaizers insisted on the necessity of circumcision for salvation for Gentile believers . Paul, speaking with apostolic authority, insisted that to rely on circumcision was to render Christ useless . Jack Hunter says: Paul did not regard circumcision as, in the Galatian position, merely a surgical operation or a religious practice, but as a system of salvation by works. It was a proclamation of the gospel of human effort apart from divine grace. It was also the substitution of law for grace, and of Moses for Christ ; for to add to Christ is to diminish Him. Therefore to “perfect” Christ is to subsume something else in His place. For Christ is the only Savior; without addition or subtraction. Circumcision is to be cut off from Christ.
From Benjamin Benkerton’s interpretation we also read:
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Paul's point is that both circumcision and castration are equal as far as the Galatians are concerned because both are physical tortures in the hope of obtaining a spiritual result.
Is there anything more eloquent than this???
Another text in which Paul, the theorist of Christianity, fought circumcision:
Romans 3:1
What advantage then has a Jew, or what profit is there of circumcision?
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Look at what Paul himself did Act 16:1 Then he came to Derbe and Lystra, and behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who believed, but his father was a Greek . Act 16:2 And the brethren who were at Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. Act 16:3 And Paul, wanting to have this man go out with him, took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
The wretched missionary wants to deceive through the story of Timothy's circumcision!
Paul's (the enemy of the circumcision ritual) circumcision of Timothy was out of favoritism for the Jews and an attempt to include them with the rest of Jesus' flock. The text was clear and eloquent on this point when it said: "And he circumcised him for the sake of the Jews who were in those places"! Is
this talk from my pocket??? Of course not!
Read what was written by the pen of Father Antonius Fikry:
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The Apostle Paul acts wisely for the Jews, as Timothy will serve among them, and they consider the uncircumcised Jew to be an infidel , especially since Timothy's mother is Jewish. Let us note that the Council of Jerusalem exempted the Gentiles from circumcision, but the Jews have a special status, so let them be circumcised because they are accustomed to it and they will gradually understand. Let us note that Paul did not circumcise him because he believed that this was necessary for salvation, as the Judaizers think, but because he wanted to be like a Jew to the Jews in order to win people anyway . With the same thought, his disciple Titus was not circumcised, as his parents were both Gentiles and he was going to serve the Gentiles.
In conclusion, gentlemen, Paul was a hypocrite in the issue of circumcision, as he made every situation a different matter, and this is contrary to the clear and explicit divine commandment!
In order to drive the last wedge into the coffin of the objections of the missionary and his gang, we present more evidence of Paul, the creator and founder of Christianity, prohibiting circumcision:
The first evidence:
We read from the book: The Priesthood by Pope Shenouda III under the section: The Commandment of Circumcision between the Two Testaments
First: This topic is strictly forbidden for Muslim sisters to read . Second: It pains us that our Christian colleagues are reading this topic. If it were not for the fact that it discusses their holy book that they attribute to the Lord of Glory, we would have forbidden them from reading it, just like their Muslim colleagues. Third: Muslims who are disciplined by the rulings of the Book and the Sunnah in general, and the guardians of the faith in particular, never aim to spread immorality or to delve into the filth and obscenities that this topic has addressed. Rather, it is a necessity, a necessity to show the truth, eliminate falsehood, and clarify the fabrications that the Jews and Christians have fabricated against the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings, which even they themselves were ashamed to admit, so they distorted its translation and concealed its meaning . Then they lied to their followers and the people of their ...
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